Anyone feel up to converting a recipe?

[edie]

would like to convert one of the following from all grain to extract. any help is greatly appreciated. we've brewed only kits so far so a schedule would be greatly appreciated.

Recipe Type: All Grain
Yeast: Wyeast 3056
Yeast Starter: 1 L
Additional Yeast or Yeast Starter: no
Batch Size (Gallons): 5.5
Original Gravity: 1.061
Final Gravity: 1.015
IBU: 18
Boiling Time (Minutes): 60
Color: 17
Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 4 weeks @ 68
Tasting Notes: Spicy and crisp.

Rabbit Run Roggenbier
15-D Roggenbier (German Rye Beer)
Author: Jason Konopinski
Date: 2/3/09



Size: 6.0 gal
Efficiency: 80%
Attenuation: 75.0%
Calories: 167.13 kcal per 12.0 fl oz

Original Gravity: 1.050 (1.046 - 1.056)
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Terminal Gravity: 1.013 (1.010 - 1.014)
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Color: 17.34 (14.0 - 19.0)
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Alcohol: 4.94% (4.5% - 6.0%)
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Bitterness: 15.6 (10.0 - 20.0)
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Ingredients:
5.5 lb Rye Malt
4.5 lb German Dark Munich
8 oz Caramel Wheat Malt
8 oz Chocolate Rye Malt
1 oz WYeast 3638 Bavarian Wheat
1 oz Saaz (5.0%) - added during boil, boiled 60 min

Schedule:
Ambient Air: 70.0 °F
Source Water: 60.0 °F
Elevation: 0.0 m

00:03:00 Mash-In - Liquor: 2.75 gal; Strike: 131.98 °F; Target: 122 °F
00:18:00 Beta Glucan Rest - Rest: 15 min; Final: 122.0 °F
00:21:00 Infusion - Water: 2.75 gal; Temperature: 192.1 °F; Target: 154 °F
01:01:00 Saccharification Rest - Rest: 40 min; Final: 152.9 °F
01:31:00 Sparge & Lauter - First Runnings: 0.0 gal sparge @ 150 °F, 10 min; Sparge #2: 1.74 gal sparge @ 180 °F, 10 min; Sparge #2: 1.74 gal sparge @ 180 °F, 10 min; Total Runoff: 7.85 gal



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Recipe Type: All Grain
Yeast: Wyeast 3944
Yeast Starter: No
Additional Yeast or Yeast Starter: No
Batch Size (Gallons): 5.5
Original Gravity: 1.058
Final Gravity: 1.012
IBU: 17
Boiling Time (Minutes): 90
Color: 17
Primary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 20
Additional Fermentation: No
Secondary Fermentation (# of Days & Temp): 18
Tasting Notes: none

Name: 4Rye
Style: Roggenbier
Original Gravity: 1.058
Final Gravity: 1.012
Alcohol: 6% abv
Color: 17SRM
Bitterness: 17 IBU

Batch Size: 5 ½ gallons
Total Grains: 12.4 pounds
Efficiency: 70%
Aeration: Oxynator
Pitch Temp: 70 Degrees
Ferment Temp: 68-72 Degrees
Keg: 1 x 5 gallons (force carbonated @ 12psi)
Bottle: 3 x 12 oz (carbed w/ Cooper's Drops)

Primary: July 7, 2008 (20 days)
Secondary: July 27, 2008 (18 days)
Cold Crash: August 14, 2008 (2 days)
Bottle/Keg: August 16, 2008

Ingredients
4.00 lbs Flaked Rye – Keystone
4.00 lbs Maris Otter - Muntons
4.00 lbs Pilsner Malt Grain – Weyermann
.40 lbs Chocolate Wheat - Weyermann
.40 oz Tettnang Hop Pellets – Alpha 4.4% @ FWH
.40 oz Tettnang Hop Pellets – Alpha 4.4% @ 60 minutes
.40 oz Tettnang Hop Pellets – Alpha 4.4% @ 15 minutes
.40 oz Tettnang Hop Pellets – Alpha 4.4% @ 5 minutes
.40 oz Tettnang Hop Pellets – Alpha 4.4% @ Dry Hop
Wyeast 3944 Witbier (3rd Generation)
44 qts. filtered water

 

[JonM]

I don't think you'll be able to find a spot-on extract substitute for all the specifics of these recipes, but take a look at Northern brewer. They just came out with a new Rye syrup and I bet they or others have some roggenbier recipes ready to go using that syrup.

 

[edie]

what happened to all the offers to convert recipes?

 

[JonM]

I guess what I'm saying is there aren't extract versions of pure rye, Munich, or Maris Otter. These recipes can be converted but the converted recipe will be limited by what's available out there in extract form, and what's available is pretty different from what these recipes are.

You can make awesome extract beers, even roggenbiers now that Northern brewer has a rye syrup. But while these recipes look really good, an extract conversion for them will be different from the original just because this is one of those rare situations where extract can't totally reproduce a recipe.

 

[944play]

The Northern Brewer rye extract is still only 20% rye.
http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/northern-brewer-rye-malt-syrup.html

 

[Yooper]

what happened to all the offers to convert recipes?

The problem is that you want conversions for things that doen't exist- 100% rye extract, Munich malt, Maris otter, etc.

That's like saying I want to build a house but all I have is sand. You just can't really get there from here.

You MAY be able to find some rye extract (NorthernBrewer.com has it) but not the others, and not in the right mix.

 

[edie]

no rye for me

 

[JonM]

Northern Brewer has a kit that might fit the bill:

http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/american-rye-ale-extract-kit-w-specialty-grains.html