Conditioning beer on things with dairy?

Rzlblrt417 · Mar 10, 2017

So I am trying to break into the milkshake IPA style, and I am also blessed with being the son of a pastry chef. I am thinking about trying to condition my beers on some of his fillings.

My question is, most of his fillings involve dairy products and I was wondering if there is any downside to letting the beer sit on those. They contain some heavy cream and butter.

Any info on this would helpful, thanks!

Sammy86 · Mar 11, 2017

I am by no means an expert but from my understanding fat and oils are terrible for beer!

Lactose is ok as long as it boiled but as far as putting a beer and letting it secondary on heavy cream and butter products I would stay away from.

Also, what milkshake IPA style are you referring to? Never heard of it

Schlenkerla · Mar 11, 2017

I was going to check the date.... Ah its not April 1st is it?

OK I'm confused must read (It's March 11th)..... https://www.google.com/webhp?source...US580&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=milkshake+ipa&*

Punch - Meet the milkshake IPA

Chicago has also really taken to milkshake beers of late, though they refer to them less appetizingly as “lactose IPAs,” perhaps a nod to nearby 3 Floyds. Crown Brewing makes Tree Frog IPA, matching Simcoe, Mosaic, Citra and Amarillo hops with lactose. Meanwhile, just north of the city, Mikerphone Brewing has Vinyl Frontier, a lactose double IPA with no fruit added, though it’s super tropical thanks to the use of El Dorado hops. Then, Corridor makes Wizard Fight, a lactose IPA, to which they add even more creaminess to by exclusively releasing the beer nitrogenated.

Schlenkerla · Mar 11, 2017

To the OP,

Ah, so far its my understanding its got no dairy. Mainly lactose sugars an unfermentable sugar, commonly called milk sugar,

See this website for general info. http://www.lostrhino.com/brewers-blog/sugar-lactose-and-milk-stouts

Schlenkerla · Mar 11, 2017

Find filling recipes of his without dairy. Namely the fruit ones. You will need to sub the sugars to non fertmentable brewing sugars.

Using maltose and lactose so far from what I can tell might be possible.

I'm not sure about maltose though. I'm thinking of the sugar in splenda... I think its maltose or sucralose.... I don't know.

EcuPirate07 · Mar 11, 2017

Yeah just add lactose at the end of boil. That's what gives the "Milkshake" fell/taste. The only thing is how much lactose? I've had tired hands milkshakes and they must use a ton of lactose because I've used a pound in 5 gallons and it gives a slight sweet taste (it was a milk stout). But I would feel you would at least need to double that amount to get that milkshake like beer. Only thing is I've read somewhere you can really over do the lactose. I had one from tired hands that was really pushing the limits. Some said they had a back of the throat burning sensation, I never experienced it though. You may wanna google lactose for milkshake style IPA and see what you get.

Jorb · Mar 11, 2017

I've got a friend who has had good luck with caramel from a chocolate shop. They had to omit the heavy cream and use powdered milk but it worked.

Rzlblrt417 · Mar 13, 2017

Thanks guys, I have learned quite a bit from this.

But to be more specific, I am not relying on the diary products for the feel of the beer, for that I am using oats and lactose. The purpose of these fillings is just to extract the flavors out of them like the chocolate or lemon pie filling.

But message received, dairy and butter fats are bad for beer

Thanks!

Schlenkerla · Mar 13, 2017

Rzlblrt417 said:
Thanks guys, I have learned quite a bit from this.

But to be more specific, I am not relying on the diary products for the feel of the beer, for that I am using oats and lactose. The purpose of these fillings is just to extract the flavors out of them like the chocolate or lemon pie filling.

But message received, dairy and butter fats are bad for beer

Thanks!

If you make something that works, make sure to post back into this thread. :mug:

Enemygod · Mar 13, 2017

So, I could be way off on this, but from what I've read...the biggest reason to stay away from something like this is because it will kill head retention. If you didn't care about head retention, couldn't this be done?

Rzlblrt417 · Mar 14, 2017

Enemygod said:
So, I could be way off on this, but from what I've read...the biggest reason to stay away from something like this is because it will kill head retention. If you didn't care about head retention, couldn't this be done?

Well that and I was afraid of any dairy in it spoiling and getting people sick. But if head retention is the problem then i think i am ok

Enemygod · Mar 14, 2017

Well don't quote me, I don't know that for sure. My post was more of a question to somebody who may know if that's correct. I know head retention is often a concern for some when doing things similar to this like adding coconut (oils) etc.

I would assume the alcohol content would kill any bad bacteria that may come from any dairy based products, but again...I am no expert and could be way off base.

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