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I would use carafa but it depends on what you are doing. I use a partial mash with 8.5 lb of extract to 4lb grain. I used 2 pound of breiss 2row and used c135 with 4oz of carafa 1 and 2. I also used chocolate malt. I used 4oz magnum 2oz centennial and 2oz mt. Hood. This ended up being a...