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Didn't even get into the Speidel system. Sure none are 100% hands free. Zymatic isn't either. Good luck using it more than once for the pitiful amount of wort it produces without issues. Its great when it works. It sure as sheisse isnt a pilot system or for professional brewers. The people...

Grainfather, brewboss, robobrew and a few others. Pico is the only one that must phone home and wants to pretend its a pilot system for real brewing while depending on a plastic bin that is only good for 10 brew sessions.

More likely ignoring what they don't have the resources to fix. Next is the ban hammer. S The Zymatic rocks. But it could be better and it should be better and Picobrew has done nothing to make that happen over the last few years other than the recent cash grab for vapor product development...

It looks like Kevin is getting mad that people are starting to take their machines apart. Wait till this dude finds out what millions of people do with their cars in their garages every weekend. The horrors!!! "A handful of concerned users have been reaching out in regards to some statements...

I like how the non pre-order pricing on the 10 gallon unit puts them at a higher price point than just about every system out there and way above some of the large volume single vessel systems. Brewboss will get you half way there on the automation side with some really damn good software for a...

One last thing on the Z if its anything like the Zymatic its not going to save you much time over a larger real non automated system. Its going to probably have all of the same overflow, clog issues that will require your attention unless you don't mind hot wort spilling everywhere and wasting...

Start with a large pot on your stove, a cooler and a bucket. Once you have put a few batches under your belt then take a stack of hundred dollar bills and either stuff them down the toilet or light them on fire because that is what you will be doing when you give your money to picobrew for a Z...

So they never deleted your epic Fatal Error list thread. God forbid customers of a $2K system - many with engineering and brewing backgrounds bypass the almighty Doug! "We are the only ones qualified to determine the exact issue with your unit and will make sure to get you back up and brewing...

If its in the same ballpark or better than the spike for 15 gallon im in too.

Its not too late but its almost 6PM west coast second Friday in July and my spam folder doesn't have any Z updates in it. Where is that update on the product that was supposed to ship this month?

Where I live (FL) its a felony for me to even receive shipment. I'd be careful about mentioning owning one of these if you live in a state stuck in the 1920s.

These are going to be a field day for local/bored LEO and alcohol agents in states that are still living with prohibition era laws. In quite a few states simple possession of any type of still that could be used for hooch without a distilling license is a felony. It doesnt matter if it says on...

Well its July and no news and nothing shipping. Cancelled my Z2 pre-order. Its going towards a Spike 15 Gallon. Keeping the Zymatic though for small batches , testing and when I just don't feel like going through the motions of a larger batch. The more I look at the new Z I just can't get my...

That conflicts with what I was told by support after initially being told they were plug & play. They said they would be willing to back the Z1 if you want to upgrade to a Z2. The Z2 obviously being 220 supposedly has a different control board too. Now that was in February so maybe this has changed?

July 1 is awfully close [edit blown] and their last update still sounded like they are prototyping the design and have not finalized things like dialing in the control software. So we are either not getting these for a while or we are going to get something rushed and half baked. I'm holding...

I definitely did not do enough research beyond cursory reviews when I pulled the trigger. The mood even in the picobrew.com run forum seems to be pretty bad and that place seems to be a ghost town. Pico run facebook groups seem to be all cheer leading but its all pico/pico pack talk. Then i...

OP is one of their CS/Marketing spammers trying to get the device to come up on forums in Which CS/Marketing spammer is this? There are only 3 of you that I know of.

Shortly after January. Gut feeling is late November. Killing the U gave me a little bit more hope. Someone should probably be fired over that. Not a good idea to put out a 3rd Kickstarter when your existing open starter is a flaming disaster while still figuring out how to build the one that is...

In the exact same boat as you having dealt with a failed pump, stepper arm and the never ending step filter leaks. Im on number 4. I really like the product and wanted to like the company but they just don't have the mindset it takes to service the type of customers that are going to be spending...

Ah I see you met Doug. He is a complete jack!@%!.