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Wyeast Question

Discussion in 'Fermentation & Yeast' started by WhiteEagle1, Mar 10, 2012.

 

  1. #1
    WhiteEagle1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    Hey Guys,
    Brewing Sunday afternoon, first time using Wyeast. OG on beer should be somewhere around 1079. My question is; If I smack my pack now, let it sit on the counter for 3 hrs. Then make a 750ml starter will I be good to go by late in the day Sunday....roughly 36 hrs in the starter???? Thanks!!!
     
  2. #2
    sockmerchant

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    You can smack it and make starter straight away. No need to wait for it to inflate

    And yes should be plenty of time
     
  3. #3
    Polboy

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    and you shouldn't wait 36h, let it run for 12-16h, after that there will be no nutrition in the starter and cell number will be going down
     
  4. #4
    sockmerchant

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    Doesnt matter too much if it takes longer. If you want to decant off the starter "beer" you have to wait longer :)
     
  5. #5
    WhiteEagle1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    Thanks guys!!
     
  6. #6
    Polboy

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    he is making really small starter, at 750ml whole smack pack (around 100 billion cells) will eat all the sugars in less than 12h then for another 24 it will be just spinning on the stir plate and yeast will eat each others so i would cold crash before pitching
    Powodzenia ;)
     
  7. #7
    sockmerchant

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    yeah, i was assuming he'd be cold crashing if he wanted to decant :)

    Though with such a small starter, i probably wouldn't bother. Pretty sure mr malty would suggest at least 1.5 liter starter. Oh well, its something
     
  8. #8
    sjbeerman

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    Since when do yeast eat each other? That's the first time I have heard that and I read the entire book on Yeast published by Jamil.

    In any case, JZ recommends that the minimum volume of a starter should be 1 L. For your OG a 750 ml starter seems a little low. If you are going to pitch the entire starter then it is probably best to pitch at high krausen which would be about 12-18h. Personally, I let me mine go 24 h then rest for 24 h and finally crash cool for 24 h before decanting the spent wort before pitching. The resting period allows the glycogen reserves to be built up which they need to completely attenuate the beer.
     
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    WhiteEagle1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    Not sure if its right or wrong....after doing a little more reading I've decided to build up the starter twice. 1L starter (650ml water & 1/2c DME) on the counter for 12 hrs. Cold crash a couple hrs. Decant. Add second 1 L starter, sit for 12 hrs. Cold crash, decant. then pitch once up to room temp. From what I read it should work?
     
  10. #10
    Revvy

    Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc  

    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    From the horse's mouth.

    Since you're making a starter you really don't need to wait for the pack to inflate.
     
  11. #11
    AnOldUR

    fer-men-TAY-shuhn  

    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    It'll take more than a couple of hours for the yeast to drop after you chill the starter. If you decant too soon you'll be loosing most of the yeast that you just grew. Why not just make a single starter large enough for your beer, chill that for a couple of days and decant just before pitching?
     
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    WhiteEagle1

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    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    I guess its because I'm set up to brew tomorrow afternoon. This is my first beer with a high gravity......didn't plan my started well enough.
     
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    sockmerchant

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    If you are set on your brew day, just pitch a 1l starter. Dont decant, just shake it up and pour the whole thing in
     
  14. #14
    AnOldUR

    fer-men-TAY-shuhn  

    Posted Mar 10, 2012
    . . . or buy another pack of yeast.
     
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