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Whats the best IPA I can make with this?

Discussion in 'Beginners Beer Brewing Forum' started by flyfisherwes, Feb 19, 2012.

 

  1. #1
    flyfisherwes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    I want to make a fairly decent sized IPA. Something in the neighborhood of 1.080.

    This is what I have as far as ingredients go:

    My malts:

    Two Row
    Marris Otter
    Crystal 60
    Crystal 120
    Vienna
    Aromatic
    Victory
    Unmalted Wheat

    Pellet Hops include:

    Cascade
    Willamette
    Tettnanger
    Columbus
    Magnum
    Chinook
    *some others I got in a variety pack.

    Leaf hops include:

    Crystal
    Cascade



    Thanks
     
  2. #2
    usfmikeb

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    You can make a good IPA with that:

    7 lbs MO
    4 lbs 2 Row
    12 oz Vienna
    12 oz Victory
    8 oz Wheat

    Use the Cascade, Columbus, and Chinook pellets in the kettle, and dry hop with the leaf Cascade.
     
  3. #3
    two_one_seven

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    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    Why add the wheat? Just curious? I like the look of everything else.
     
  4. #4
    usfmikeb

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    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    Head retention, I've started putting wheat in ever recipe.
     
  5. #5
    two_one_seven

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    I don't usually have a problem getting good head..........retention :D.
     
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  6. #6
    flyfisherwes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    +1. I like good head.
     
  7. #7
    flyfisherwes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    So when It comes to the hop schedule and I want about 80IBUs how should I go about that? I have a thing to calculate IBUs but I don't know at which point in the boil I should get which hops to get the desired IBUs. In other words, I know I should get most of my IBUs at the 60min addition, but for this style, should I stick with 1oz addition and get 26 IBUs then get more IBUs further into the boil with the other hops or should I just add more up front?

    Let me know if that doesn't make sense. It probably doesn't.
     
  8. #8
    flyfisherwes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    Also, will a dry hop of 2oz Cascade add any IBUs?
     
  9. #9
    flyfisherwes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    From my calc this would be 76 IBU.
    Is there anything wrong with this? The recipe is converted for 76% eff with my BIAB set up.

    OG 1.08
    FG ?

    Grains Weight (g) Weight LBS
    Total 8208.469055 * 18.09655505
    two row 7414.101082 16.34527553
    Caramel 60L 397.1839866 0.87563976
    Victory 264.7893244 0.58375984
    Aromatic 132.3946622 0.29187992

    Hops: Grams Ounces
    chinook 11.8 60 min 34.0 1.2
    columbus 12.8 45 min 15.5 0.5
    cascade 6.4 30 min 33.2 1.2
    columbus 12.8 20 min 15.5 0.5
    cascade 10 min 33.2 1.2
    crystal 5 min 29.2 1.0

    Cascade Leaf Dry Hop 7 day 2.0


    Total Water 33.68 lt
    Beer Length 19 lt

    Yeast WLP001


    From my calc this would be 76 IBU.
    Is there anything wrong with this? The recipe is converted for 76% eff with my BIAB set up.
     
  10. #10
    CastleHollow

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    Your hop utilization & the beer's IBUs are based on a few things: the size of your boil, the amount of malt sugars in the boil, the alpha acid content of your hops, and the length of time the hops are boiling. If you enter those variables into your calculator, you should come up with a pretty good estimate of the IBUs.

    Post up the alpha acid content of your hops and we can give you a ballpark for the recipe usfmikeb posted.

    Dry hopping does not contribute to your IBU calculation.
     
  11. #11
    CastleHollow

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    Maybe my math is wrong, but that recipe is giving me 1.100 OG & 120 IBUs for a 5 gallon batch. :confused:
     
  12. #12
    usfmikeb

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    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    Yeah, 18 lbs of grain is going to be ~1.100...
     
  13. #13
    flyfisherwes

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    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    That recipe is adjusted for some losses in the BIAB method. Its also adjusted to give me 5 gallons of bottled beer at the very end. I'm not sure if that makes a difference. The IBUs were put into my calc from that recipe. My end of boil volume will be about 6.3 gallons or 24lts.

    This is the original ingredient recipe:

    14 lbs. Domestic 2-Row barley malt, 4 oz. Aromatic, 12 oz. Caramel 60L, 8 oz. Victory, 1 oz. Chinook, 1 oz. Cascade, 1 oz. Centennial, 1 oz. Crystal and 2 oz. whole hops (dry hop).

    I made it as an extract kit from midwest and it was really good so I figured I'd try it AG. That is the AG kit contents.


    Here is my hop list with AA%:

    columbus 12.8
    Magnum 11.6
    Cascade 6.6 5.3
    willamette 6
    Tettnanger 4
    Magnum 11.6
    cascade leaf 8.8
    crystal leaf 3.3

    Galena 13.2
    Nuggett 12.4
    Colombus 13.3
    Summit 15.5
    Warrior 16
    Willamette 4

    Edit: I should note that this calculator helped me hit numbers exactly yesterday on EdWorts Haus Pale, but it was unfortunate that I had usable wort left in the kettle. The calculator is an excel spreadsheet that someone else made. I found it on BIABrewer.info. It allows for adjustment to tailor it to your own set up and findings, but as this was my first BIAB I will do a few more then adjust if I consistently have extra usable wort that I end up wasting.
     
  14. #14
    flyfisherwes

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    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    so does this change things?
     
  15. #15
    flyfisherwes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2012
    I posted the AAs above. My real question was where to add the hops to get the IBUs I want as well as good flavor and aroma hopping.
     
  16. #16
    two_one_seven

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    Posted Feb 19, 2012
  17. #17
    flyfisherwes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 20, 2012
    Thanks. The spreadsheet I'm using seems to take into account the batch size, pre and post boil gravity, time of addition, and AA content of the hops. I can figure out how many IBUs my beer will have, but I'm confused about the best way to get them. If that makes any sense. I mean technically I could add enough hops at flavor hop addition time of 20 min and get all the IBUs I want but that wouldn't make any sense. The answer to my question may be more than a few sentences because I'd say it depends on what I'm trying to achieve as far as flavor.

    What would be a good starting point for hop addition qty/time for such a brew and size? Maybe a better question would be what percentage of the IBUs should I strive for at the different times?

    I'm sorry I just can't seem to figure out how to ask the question I have in mind. Thanks again for all the help.
     
  18. #18
    flyfisherwes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 20, 2012
    So I'm going to strive for an OG of 1.080. With an end of boil volume of 6.3 gallons.

    With these grains:

    Grains Weight (g) Weight LBS

    Total 8208.469055 * 18.09655505

    two row 7414.101082 16.34527553
    Caramel 60L 397.1839866 0.87563976
    Victory 264.7893244 0.58375984
    Aromatic 132.3946622 0.29187992

    With these hops

    Time Grams Ounces AA% IBU
    60 29.8 1.05 11.8 = 27.4 Chinook
    45 15.0 0.53 12.8 = 13.8 Columbus
    30 15.0 0.53 6.4 = 5.8 Cascade
    20 15.0 0.53 12.8 = 9.1 Columbus
    10 15.0 0.53 6.4 = 2.8 Cascade
    5 28.3 1.00 3.3 = 2.9 leafed crystal (crushed?)

    I'll round those to the nearest gram measures to 30g and 15g. Should be around 60-65 IBUs?

    If I wanted a few more IBU...say 80.. then just chuck in an extra 8 grams columbus at 60 min?


    If I get around 76% efficiency (which I may very well not considering the gravity and BIAB) Does anyone see a problem with this? Keep in mind that my volume of wort after the boil will be 6.3 gallons.


    Thanks in advance!
    Wes
     
  19. #19
    flyfisherwes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 20, 2012
    As far as this one goes, if i want it to taste different than the other one, what could I do with these?

    HOP AA%
    columbus 12.8
    Magnum 11.6
    Cascade 6.6
    willamette 6
    Tettnanger 4
    Magnum 11.6
    cascade leaf 8.8
    crystal leaf 3.3

    Galena 13.2
    Nuggett 12.4
    Colombus 13.3
    Summit 15.5
    Warrior 16
    Willamette 4
     
  20. #20
    two_one_seven

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 20, 2012
    You will bet more bittering effect with less hops at the 60 min point. You could add them at 15 mins and get the bitterness but it would make the beer off. What I mean by that is it's like a band that has the guitar to loud and you can't really hear the singer......if that makes sense. With an IIPA you want some balance. By balance I mean a bunch of bittering hops, a bunch of flavor hops and a bunch of dry hops. I would just play with the recipe program you have and get it where it looks somewhat balanced. You really can go too wrong.
     
  21. #21
    flyfisherwes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 20, 2012

    Thanks! This is exactly what I mean. I'm still not sure what balanced is.

    Does this look balanced to you?

    Time Grams Ounces AA% = IBU
    60 29.8 1.05 11.8 = 27.4 Chinook
    45 15.0 0.53 12.8 = 13.8 Columbus
    30 15.0 0.53 6.4 = 5.8 Cascade
    20 15.0 0.53 12.8 = 9.1 Columbus
    10 15.0 0.53 6.4 = 2.8 Cascade
    5 28.3 1.00 3.3 = 2.9 leafed crystal (crushed?)

    Then if i want 80 IBU I maybe:

    Hops: Grams Ounces
    chinook 11.8 60 min 28.0 1.0
    columbus 12.8 60 min 7.0 0.3
    columbus 12.8 45 min 15.5 0.5
    cascade 6.4 30 min 33.2 1.2
    columbus 12.8 20 min 15.5 0.5
    cascade 10 min 33.2 1.2
    crystal 5 min 29.2 1.0


    Would that be considered balanced?

    And is it acceptable to crush up the crystal leaf hops in a blender and use those for the aroma hops at 5 min?
     
  22. #22
    fnord

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    Posted Feb 20, 2012
    Keeping in mind I've never used Willamette or Crystal and I'm going from flavor and aroma descriptions that I read, if I wanted to experiment I'd aim for the main flavor and aroma coming from Willamette with some citrus and spicy support from the Cascade and Crystal. Not having any first hand experience with two of these hops I could see it going terribly awry. The hops schedule is more complicated than I like, but it's going with some of the varieties it looks like you want to use.

    .5 oz willamette 6% FWH - ~5-6 IBU
    not sure how much flavor without the time of a traditional sparge but ou still should get something, and I still don't know if it really helps but some people swear by it and the best IPAs I've made are all FWH with cascade
    1.5 oz warrior 16% 60 min - 58.6 IBU
    only going this high because you said 80 IBU, 1 oz, 39.1 IBU seems better to me
    1 oz willamette 4% 20 min - 5.9 IBU
    .5 oz cascade 6.6% 20 min - 4.9 IBU
    1 oz crystal 3.3% 5 min - 1.6 IBU
    1 oz willamette 4% 5 min - 1.9 IBU
    .5 oz cascade 6.6% 5 min - 1.6 IBU
    1 oz willamette dry hop 7 days
    .5 oz cascade dry hop 7 days


    If you want something that is more traditional and that I'd be confident about
    .5 oz cascade 8.8% FWH - ~7-8 IBU
    1 oz chinook 11.8% 60 min - 28.8 IBU
    1 oz columbus 12.8% 30 min - 24 IBU
    1 oz cascade 6.6% 20 min - 9.8 IBU
    1.5 oz cascade 6.6% 5 min - 4.8 IBU
    2 oz cascade dry hop 7 days
     
  23. #23
    PseudoChef

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 20, 2012
    I would move the 45 minutes addition (and possibly the 30 minute addition) - you're not really getting that much from them. If you want to bitter - add at 60, if you want flavor, add around 20-15, and if you want aroma, add at flame-out or dryhop. I recently only did a bittering addition and then a whirlpool (basically hot steep at the end, off the flame, but before chilling) addition and it actually came out fantastic with regards to bitterness, flavor, and aroma.

    But, in the end, it's up to you! It'll be a fine beer either way, I'm sure.
     
  24. #24
    fnord

    don't see me  

    Posted Feb 20, 2012
    I was playing around in beersmith while I typed that up and didn't see your last post. I would do what you posted just before me, though I would bet the crystal gets lost behind the cascade
     
  25. #25
    flyfisherwes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 20, 2012
    Thanks Pseudo and Fnord. That seems reasonable to me as well.
     
  26. #26
    flyfisherwes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 24, 2012
    So I'm planning on doing this. I need an actual hop schedule though. I was going to shoot for a gravity of 1.070 to 1.072.

    I was going to make it this:

    7 lbs MO
    4 lbs 2 Row
    12 oz Vienna
    12 oz Victory
    8 oz Wheat
    3 oz Crystal 120

    proportionally increased to get the intended gravity with my equipment.

    Is that ok?

    I need a hop schedule with those hops as well. I have an idea but Im open to suggestions.
     
  27. #27
    CastleHollow

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    Posted Feb 25, 2012
    You've already got a few hop schedules that would work well in this beer. Here's my suggestion:

    3/4 oz Summit or Warrior 60min
    1/2 oz Cascade + 1/2 oz Willamette 20min
    1/2 oz Cascade + 1/2 oz Willamette 10 min

    Dry hop with the Cascades
     
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