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Discussion in 'All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing' started by Jrblessing1, Mar 28, 2017.

 

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    Jrblessing1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 28, 2017
    I recently brewed a brewers best white IPA. Color came out dark and the flavor doesn't seem right. I followed the directions to a t. This was my first partial mash extract I've done. Previously I brewed to extract with a mr beer kit.... the second one was decent out of he two.
     
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    kh54s10

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Mar 28, 2017
    We will need a lot more information about how you brewed this kit. Be pretty precise in your explanation of everything you did.
     
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    Jrblessing1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 28, 2017
    2.5 gal of water in the pot temp got to 160 and added the grains for 20 min. Added the 2 cans of lme and then the dme. Boiled 60min with proper hop editions. When lme was added I removed the pot from the burner. Ice bathed the wort added it to the fast fermenter topped off to 5 gal dry pitched the yeast and let ferment at 68 for 3 weeks
     
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    Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Mar 28, 2017
    It sounds like you boiled the LME (6.6 pounds) and the DME (how much?) for 60 minutes?

    That would do it- boiling that much extract in 2.5 gallons of water will definitely darken it. Next time, add the DME at the start of the boil and all of the LME at flame out. LME has already been boiled and doesn't need to boil again. Maillard reactions (similar to caramelization reactions) darken the wort if you boil such a condensed sugar solution. It can also create a "cooked extract" type of flavor from these reactions.
     
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    Jrblessing1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 28, 2017
    Thanks Yooper I'll try that next time.
     
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    neverfadeaway86

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 28, 2017
    I typically add my LME with 20 min to go but I stir it in and make sure to not let it caramelize on the bottom of the pan unless it is a very malty beer and then sometimes I like the additional caramelization aspect
     
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    Mainer

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 28, 2017
    This is some of the best advice I got when I first started brewing. My first few beers ended up with lumps of burned extract on the bottom of the pot because I boiled it too long and didn't stir it in enough.

    Also, I've been meaning to ask: when I use DME these days, I rehydrate it at a simmer in a separate pot before adding it to the wort, just to make sure I'm getting it well dissolved. Is there any reason I *shouldn't* do this?
     
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    Pappers_

    Moderator Staff Member  

    Posted Mar 28, 2017
    Getting DME well dissolved is key. This would work, as long as it doesn't throw off your final volumes (you end up with the amount of wort you intended to).

    I do something like what you're doing when I'm adding DME to the boil for a big beer, like a barleywine or imperial stout. So, I've mashed but have built the recipe to include an addition of DME towards the end of the boil.

    What I do is scoop out a gallon of the boiling wort into a separate container (I use a metal 1 gallon pitcher), carefully pour in the DME and beat that thing with a whisk until the DME is dissolved, then carefully pour back into the rest of the boiling wort, stirring constantly to make sure it doesn't scorch on the bottom.
     
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    Mainer

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 28, 2017
    I usually just reduce my initial boil volume by a half-gallon or so and heat that volume of water to dissolve the DME to roughly the consistency of a syrup. Then I add it to the kettle at ~20 minutes. So yeah, I take the addition into account when calculating my boil volume.
     
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    IslandLizard

    Progressive Brewing Staff Member  

    Posted Mar 28, 2017
    ^ +10 to what was said above ^

    In general, add 1/3 of your extract (DME first) at the beginning of your boil, the rest at flameout. Especially so if you're boiling only half the volume, like 2.5 gallons for a 5 gallon batch.

    If you're boiling the full volume (no top up water, or very little to get to the mark), you could add 1/2 at the beginning.
     
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