What is your whirlpool and hop stand method?

I have been reading a bit about using the whirl pool/hop stand method to extract more aroma from the 0 minute additions of hops. Curious to know what input home brewers have about the following:

1. Do you whirl pool and perform a hop stand right after turning off the heat when the wort is still near 212 F or do you chill the wort down to the 180 F range and then whirlpool?

2. Do you do this for all of your beers with flame out additions or just more for pale ales and ipas?

Thanks,

 

1. I usually chill the wort down a little bit before I put the hops in. I let it stand for about 20 minutes usually.

2. I just do it for the beers that I want to have a lot of hop character to them. I've been working on an Amber beer that I want to have a nice chewy hop flavor to it in which I do a hopstand/whirlpool for.

 

I flameout, then toss the (usually huge) addition of hops in, and stir to start a whirlpool action. I usually let it sit for 20 minutes, stirring occasionally, then start the chiller. I've never taken the temperature at the end of this, though.

I've only done it with IPAs and pales, and styles that feature hops like hoppy blondes, American wheats. I've done it to an American amber ale before, too. Was really good. I find the character to be more of a "straight from the bag" flavor, rather than the cooked flavor of hops you get from standard boiling usage, so apply to styles that would fit with that profile.

 

There was an experiment done by brulosopher where no one really noticed a difference in the beer when the whirlpool was done at FO vs. chilling to 170.

I've done it at FO and it surely works. Is it better than just doing a KO addition? Personally I kind of doubt it.

 

Thanks for the replies everyone. I am just starting the boil on 2 ipas for my wife and I am going to try doing the whirlpool method.

 

I usually split my hopstand additions into 2 equal parts, adding the first one right at "flameout" (which for me is "stove off" lol), and then Ill throw the second one in about 10 minutes later. I chill using a cold water bath in my bathtub and I get great hop aroma and flavors this way. I use hop sacks to catch all the crud, so whirlpooling is usually an unecessary step for me and why I do the hopstand method