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What is your favorite IPA kit?

Discussion in 'Recipes/Ingredients' started by McLovinBeast57, Feb 19, 2014.

 

  1. #1
    McLovinBeast57

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    Posted Feb 19, 2014
    Hey guys,
    I'm looking to order a new recipe kit. I want to do an IPA that's AT LEAST 100 IBU.. Preferably for $40 or less.

    For those of you who have bought an IPA kit, which one would you recommend?

    Would it be more cost effective to get a kit with a good flavor and then order a few extra ounces of hops and also dry-hop it?


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  2. #2
    McLovinBeast57

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2014
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  3. #3
    iowabrew

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2014
    If you're up for not doing a kit, look through the recipe section on here, there is some very good recipes that are pretty simple and straight forward.
     
  4. #4
    Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Feb 19, 2014
    There are two that I especially love. They are both IIPAs, with a ton of hops, so I'm sure they exceed your price limit.

    Once is the Pliny kit, and one is the Surly Furious clone kit:

    http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/the-plinian-legacy-double-ipa-recipe-kit.html

    It looks like the Surly kit is out of stock for extract, but here is a link to the AG:
    http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/surly-furious-pro-series-all-grain-kit.html


    Otherwise, their Dead Ringer is good. That'd be my next choice I think.
     
  5. #5
    iowabrew

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    Posted Feb 19, 2014
    My response was less than helpful...the price point was my problem with giving out a good kit, but gotta agree with Yooper on the Dead Ringer, it does not dissappoint.
     
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    thaworm69

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    Posted Feb 19, 2014
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    McLovinBeast57

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2014

    Thanks, I'll check those out. I wish NB would post the IBU's! Do u think getting a decent $30 kit and buying extra hops would be a cheaper option?


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  8. #8
    Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Feb 19, 2014
    Maybe this is a dumb question, but why are the IBUs important?

    You can have a 1.035 beer with 35 IBUs and it will be BITTER. You can have an 85 IBU 1.100 OG beer, and it won't be bitter.

    It's probably impossible to get 100 IBUs in any beer, but it's highly unlikely with extract brewing. Even Pliny the Elder, with calculated IBUs at 250+, was tested and had something like 80 actual IBUs.

    If you want something strongly bitter, look at the SG/IBU ratio and that will tell you a better tale that the calculated IBUs.

    If you are doing a partial boil (boiling half of the wort and topping up with water), you'd get 50 IBUs, more or less, as a max anyway. * unless you are using Hopshot or something like that, as in the Pliny recipe at Northern brewer.
     
  9. #9
    McLovinBeast57

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    Posted Feb 19, 2014

    I think a "bitter" taste really boils down to opinion.. My dad hates hops and thinks he can taste cascades in every beer he has.. I on the other hand need a pungent hop taste/aroma to truly love a bitter beer..

    IBU ratings are probably pretty inaccurate as there are so many variables from person to person but I'm looking for a similar hoppiness to the Ballast Point Tongue Buckler which is like 120 IBU


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  10. #10
    Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Feb 19, 2014
    This sounds nitpicky, but I don't mean it to be. Ballast Point claims something like 108 IBUs. One of the reasons calculating IBUs is tricky is because without something like Hopshot, there is a maximum amount of hops oils that can isomerize in wort- generally right about 100 as a maximum. But in actual testing, the actual IBUs tend to be far lower.

    What really impacts the perception of bitterness is the SG/IBU ratio.

    Using Tongue Buckler as an example, it's 10% ABV so a probable OG is 1.085 or so. With 108 IBUs, that means an OG/SG ratio of 1.080. That's why it's strongly and firmly bitter.

    The same IBUs in a beer of 1.100 would be less better, due to that OG/SG ratio (about .890). I hope that makes sense! That's why I"m saying that while IBUs can be useful, in formulating recipes it's more important to look at the OG/SG ratio rather than the calculated IBUs.

    Pliny the Elder, which calculates at something like 250 IBUs, was actually measured at something like 85 IBUs but your tongue would never know that!
     
  11. #11
    McLovinBeast57

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    Posted Feb 19, 2014

    This makes perfect sense, thank you! So technically an IBU calculator that also takes into account the ratios between boil size, batch size, and SG should be a good way to gauge hoppiness?


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    benco

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    Posted Feb 19, 2014
    I second the dead ringer for the money. One of my favorites. I think it's all centennial hops.


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  13. #13
    Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Feb 19, 2014
    No, not at all- and that's what I'm trying to say (badly, I guess!).

    "Bitter" is a combination of things like the number of IBUs, and the OG of the beer and it's about the balance (that SG/IBU ratio I mentioned earlier). but that has nothing at all to do with "hoppiness".

    Hoppiness is the amount of hops flavor and aroma in the beer, and that is totally independent from IBUs. You can have a 100 IBU beer that has no hops flavor or aroma at all, but will be very bitter. Or, you can have a 35 IBU beer that is just as bitter if the OG is low.

    Hoppiness is a whole different ballgame. Although higher IBU beers can be hoppy as well, the IBU measurement doesn't refer at all to the level of hops flavor in the beer.
     
  14. #14
    Adaman05

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    Posted Feb 19, 2014

    This is probably the only chance I'll ever get to correct the almighty Yooper, but Furious is a single IPA. And probably my favorite IPA. Too bad I don't live in Minnesota anymore. I've brewed that kit before, and it is really good. The amount of dry hops is insane. :mug:
     
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