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What if you had permanently limited ingredients? Your choices?

Discussion in 'General Homebrew Discussion' started by Norselord, Dec 5, 2018.

 

  1. #1
    Norselord

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 5, 2018
    Suppose that for some reason or another the broad spectrum of ingredients was not available to you anymore. Which ingredients would you choose to continue to brew the wide variety of beers you brew?

    Arbitrary limits:
    8 grains (assume we are doing AG brewing)
    4 yeasts
    8 hops

    -----------

    For me it would probably be:

    Grain:
    • German Pils
    • Maris Otter
    • Vienna
    • Chocolate Malt
    • Cara Munich I (Crystal 50)
    • Cara Pils
    • Flaked Oats
    • Pale Wheat Malt
    Yeast:
    • Chico (Wyeast 1056)
    • Belgian Saison (Wyeast 3724)
    • London Ale III (Wyeast 1318)
    • Kolsch (Wyeast 2565)
    Hops:
    • East Kent Goldings
    • Perle
    • Magnum
    • Citra
    • Mosaic
    • Galaxy
    • Styrian Goldings
    • Centennial
     
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  2. #2
    RPh_Guy

    Bringing Sour Back

    Posted Dec 6, 2018
    I'd be happy with just 2-row, white wheat malt, and Czech Saaz.
    If you made me choose yeast, that's more difficult: Voss Kveik, a hefeweizen strain, Sacc Trois, and a Brett blend from TYB. Free Lacto is everywhere, and yeast for that matter..

    I can make good variety from that. Obviously I'm not really into the bitter flowers.
     
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  3. #3
    VTX1300

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Dec 6, 2018
    I would be happy with just three things. Maris Otter malt, Mosaic hops and WLP007 yeast. That makes up my house ale and I always have a keg of this ready. Simple SMaSH recipe. If I had to drink only one beer this would be it.
     
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  4. #4
    MrPowers

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 6, 2018
    Grain: (Weyermann where applicable)
    Barke Pils
    Barke Munich
    Rahr 2-Row
    Pale Wheat Malt
    Carahell
    Caramunich II
    Carafa II Special
    Flaked Corn

    Yeast:
    2002 Gambrinus lager (or 833)
    1272 American Ale II
    3068 Hefe
    1318 London III

    Hops:
    Hersbrucker
    Saaz
    Perle
    CO2 Extract
    Galaxy
    Citra
    Mosaic
    Nelson Sauvin (or Simcoe)

    The grain section was pretty easy, but i’m surprised how difficult it was to nail down to 4 yeasts and 8 hops.
     
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2018
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  5. #5
    RPIScotty

    I’m Derek Scott. I’m a Category 26 kind of guy.

    Posted Dec 6, 2018
    For me it would probably be:

    Grain/Sugars/Adjuncts:
    • Weyermann Barke Pilsner
    • Weyermann Barke Vienna
    • Weyermann CaraHell
    • Dingemans Special B
    • Weyermann Carafa I
    Adjuncts:
    • Weyermann Sinamar
    Sugars:
    • Florida Crystals Raw Cane Syrup
    Yeast:
    • Westmalle (Wyeast 3787)
    • Chimay (Wyeast 1214)
    • Rochefort (Wyeast 1762)
    Hops:
    • German Magnum
    • Styrian Goldings
    • Saaz
     
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  6. #6
    Pappers_

    Moderator Staff Member  

    Posted Dec 6, 2018
    This is kind of funny, 8 grains and hops and 4 yeast strains is about what I use LOL. Well, I regularly use more than four yeast strains, I suppose.

    Grains:
    Pale malt
    Pilsner
    Munich
    Wheat
    C60
    Flaked Barley
    Chocolate malt
    Roasted Barley

    Hops:
    Chinook
    Amarillo
    Citra
    EKG
    Challenger
    Saaz
    Centennial
    Liberty

    Yeast:
    Danstar American West Coast
    Danstar Windsor
    Omega Bayern
    White Labs Belgian Ale
     
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  7. #7
    Norselord

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 6, 2018
    Did I make the # of choices too broad?
    I see some of you brew a narrow band of styles - so that makes it easy.
    I tend to have 6 beers on tap:
    1. A clean beer (Lager/Kolsch/Pilsener)
    2. A yeasty beer (Belgian/Hefe)
    3. A hoppy beer (IPA/APA)
    4. An amber beer (Irish Red, Amber Keller, American Brown)
    5. A dark beer (Baltic Porter, oatmeal stout, bourbon barrel)
    6. A strong beer (wee heavy, old ale, quad, DIIPA)
     
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  8. #8
    Pappers_

    Moderator Staff Member  

    Posted Dec 6, 2018
    Just working backwards (from memory) on the last few beers I've brewed, its a pretty broad collection:

    Belgian Dark Strong (Quad)
    Czech Pils
    Arctic Ale (historical, very large Burton)
    Irish Stout
    Tropical Stout
    American IPA
    American Barleywine
    English IPA
     
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  9. #9
    RPIScotty

    I’m Derek Scott. I’m a Category 26 kind of guy.

    Posted Dec 6, 2018
    I'm pretty much a Trappist brewery, minus the robes and dedication to a higher being.

    ;)
     
  10. #10
    Norselord

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 6, 2018
    For those who brew across the full spectrum, should the choices be reduced to less than 8/4/8 for added challenge?

    I'm also looking to reduce inventory and increase inventory turnover rate. Lower costs, fresher ingredients.
     
  11. #11
    RPIScotty

    I’m Derek Scott. I’m a Category 26 kind of guy.

    Posted Dec 6, 2018
    I could go even narrower on my stuff:

    Grain/Sugars/Adjuncts:
    • Weyermann Cologne
    • Weyermann CaraHell
    • Dingemans Special B
    Adjuncts:
    • Weyermann Sinamar
    Sugars:
    • Florida Crystals Raw Cane Syrup
    Yeast:
    • Westmalle (Wyeast 3787)
    • Chimay (Wyeast 1214)
    Hops:
    • German Magnum
    • Styrian Goldings
     
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  12. #12
    OG-wan Kenobi

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 6, 2018
    MALT
    2 row
    Vienna
    Crystal 60
    Munich
    Midnight wheat
    Chocolate
    Oat malt
    Roasted Barley

    Yeast
    Imperial Dry Hop
    US-05
    Imperial Darkness
    WLP 059

    Hops (by far the hardest for me)
    Magnum
    Mosaic
    Citra
    Simcoe
    Galaxy
    Fuggles
    Motueka
    Cascade
     
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  13. #13
    _HH_

    Active Member

    Posted Dec 8, 2018
    Grain
    US 2-row
    Pilsner malt
    Gladfield wheat
    Maris Otter
    Light crystal
    Gladfield toffee malt

    Yeast
    US-05 (I’m pretty boring!)

    Hops
    Motueka
    Amarillo
    Galaxy
    Rakau
    Nelson sauvin
    Simcoe
    Riwaka
     
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  14. #14
    Soulshine2

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 8, 2018
    For me it would probably be:

    Grain:
    • 2 row Pale
    • 6 Row Pale
    • Vienna
    • Black Malt
    • CaraRed (Best Malz Red X)
    • Munich
    • Flaked Oats
    • Pale Wheat Malt
    Yeast:
    • Safale-04
    • Safale-05
    • Hef
    • Kolsch (Wyeast 2565)
    Hops:
    • Hallertau
    • Apollo
    • Magnum
    • Citra
    • Warrior
    • Galaxy
    • Crystal
    • Saaz
     
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  15. #15
    imasickboy

    Drinkasaurus extraordinarius  

    Posted Dec 8, 2018
    Grain was a bit tougher to choose than I expected.

    Grain:
    • Maris Otter
    • Pils
    • Munich
    • Roasted Barley
    • Caravienne
    • Crystal 60
    • Special B
    • Flaked Corn
    Yeast:
    • S-04
    • WLP530
    • S-23
    • US-05
    Hops:
    • Columbus
    • Saaz
    • Willamette
    • Simcoe
    • Citra
    • EKG
    • Cluster
    • Liberty
     
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  16. #16
    JohnSand

    Moderator Staff Member  

    Posted Dec 8, 2018
    While not specifically within your guidelines, my ingredient store follows a plan. I keep one or two pale base malts on hand, starting with a sack of each. Right now that's Maris Otter and Belgian Pilsner. If I had to choose only one, it would be the Pilsner. Munich is the most common other grain, I buy it in ten pound bags. I don't mind subbing crystals that are pretty close in lovibond, some light, medium and dark will approximate most recipes. I like rye beers, I always have it on hand. Anything special, like Christmas beer that requires other grains I just order or buy as needed. So:
    Pilsner
    Maris Otter
    Munich
    Light Crystal
    Medium Crystal
    Dark Crystal
    Rye Malt
    Probably Caramunich or Melanoidin

    For yeasts I would use an American (US-05) a lager (34/70) a British (Notty) and a Belgian (Westmalle)
    A big benefit of the Notty and Westmalle is that they are good over a range of temperatures with different results. In hops I would follow a similar theory, some noble (Saaz) some American C hops, something piney etc. Try to have a representative of hop styles and don't be afraid to substitute.
     
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  17. #17
    friarsmith

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Dec 8, 2018
    Oh mang, that 8th & Final Grain was tough! Sorry Carafoam, it's been real, but I can get along w/o you after the LHBS Zombie Apocalypse. This is fun to think about, although I hope I never have to…

    Best Pilsner Malt
    Great West NW Pale Malt (Because it can swing both ways for US/UK beers)
    Munich Malt 7-8L
    6-Row (Because life w/o American lagers is a life not worth living)
    Caramunich (For to beef up amber/Euro lagers)
    Carafa III (I like schwarzbiers THAT much)
    Special B (Barleywine num nums)
    Simpson’s Medium 50-60L (For basically any US or UK ale)
    ____________________________
    Safale 34/70 (Nuclear option lager yeast, but great in any German Lager)
    Denny’s Fav 1450 (Pound for pound, my fav US Ale yeast)
    Nottingham (Nuclear option ale yeast)
    WLP802 CZ Budvar Lager (US & CZ Lagers)
    ____________________________
    Magnum (Because it's nice to buy one thing labeled "Magnum" and actually need it)
    Hershbrucker (Fav German hop)
    Saaz (No explanation required)
    Challenger (Fav English bittering hop)
    EKG (Multi-purpose across many styles)
    Northern Brewer (Multi-purpose across many styles)
    Cascade (No explanation required)
    Columbus (Because we all need some dank in our lives)
     
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  18. #18
    Norselord

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 10, 2018
    Wow!

    Really like and appreciate the responses.
    In retrospect i probably should have gone with a 6/3/6 grain/yeast/hops limitation.

    I just finished a semester in an MBA program where the focus was on operations management, and one of the messages is to keep things simple and reduce unnecessary complications.
     
  19. #19
    BrewMan13

    Whole Nother Level Brewing

    Posted Dec 10, 2018
    Grains (hard to narrow to 8):
    2-row
    munich
    chocolate
    roasted barley
    crystal 40L
    Victory
    white wheat
    rye malt

    Yeast (harder than I thought):
    Wyeast 1056, 1007, 1318, 1098

    Hops (easy to pick, I could deal with just 7. Trying some new stuff next year though):
    Willamette
    northern brewer
    EKG
    hersbrucker
    mosaic
    amarillo
    citra
    simcoe
     
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2018
  20. #20
    4of7

    60sqftbrewhouse

    Posted Dec 11, 2018
    Keep things simple..
    Mmmmm so you posted here asking.. some time it's simple other times it becomes a Beer Troll.. 1.two row 2.wheat.
     
  21. #21
    LuckyBeagleBrewing

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Dec 11, 2018
    Nice thread. Here goes my list. I think this would cover many of my favorites.

    Grain
    1. Barke Pilsner
    2. Barke Vienna
    3. Barke Munich
    4. Glen Eagle Maris Otter (Or whatever crisp malting calls it now)
    5. Weyermann Pale Ale
    6. White Wheat
    7. English Crystal (60-70)
    8. German Carapils
    Yeast
    1. W34/70 Lager Yeast
    2. US-05
    3. Voss Kveik
    4. Wyeast 3522 Belgian Ardennes
    Hops
    1. Magnum GR
    2. Hallertau
    3. Tettnang
    4. Fuggles
    5. Cascade
    6. Citra
    7. Amarillo
    8. Lublin
     
  22. #22
    Norselord

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 11, 2018
    What’s up here? Can you help me understand?
     
  23. #23
    grampamark

    From out of the clear blue of the western sky...  

    Posted Dec 11, 2018
    I don't find the 8-4-8 limitation particularly limiting. I can cover most of my favorite styles easily with that many choices.

    Grain
    2-row
    Pilsener
    Munich
    Caramel 40
    Caramel 80
    Maris Otter
    White wheat
    Chocolate

    Yeast
    S-05
    Nottingham
    K-97
    34/70

    Hops
    Cascade
    Citra
    EKG
    Hallertauer
    Magnum
    Northern Brewer
    Saaz
    Willamette
     
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