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Welch's Grape Juice Wine

Discussion in 'Wine Recipes' started by Yooper, Feb 1, 2007.

 

  1. Ply318ci

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 12, 2012
    That is strange the grape juice alone is 1.062 and I didn't add any water to dilute it.

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  2. Aschecte

    Brewtus Maximus  

    Posted Oct 12, 2012
    That should be correct and that is what beersmith is showing me it should be. That's why I'm confused as to why your gravity went up to 1.100 after only 7 ounces of dextrose. Are you sure you only added 7 ounces ?
     
  3. Ply318ci

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 13, 2012
    Yes I think it was that the wine was fermenting and the bubbles raised the hydrometer up? When I measured it last night before pitching the yeast it was 1.088-1.090. Then this morning while fermenting I measured it again at 1.110. And yes I am pretty sure it was only 7 ounces of table sugar. I measure out 20 ounces and then weighted what I had left at 13 ounces. I messed with beers smith and got the same answer as well as a online website that suggested 8 ounces of sugar to get 13% ABV if I start with .75 gallons of must at 1.062. So I will just let it do it's thing and wait and see.
     
  4. Ply318ci

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 15, 2012
    All right so everything seems good but I ended up with only .75 gallons of wine in a 1 gallon carboy. So I have a half gallon carboy I can siphon it into and just do something with the rest. Or could I add equal amounts of grape juice and water to top off or will that dilute the wine or make it rocket fuel. Thanks.
     
  5. Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Oct 15, 2012
    You could top up with more juice, since it sounds like it was a high OG anyway.
     
  6. Ply318ci

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 15, 2012
    Will that make it to High a ABV since I used champagne yeast won't it just keep fermenting and making more alcohol.
     
  7. Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Oct 15, 2012
    Yes, but you'd be adding juice with a much lower OG than the wine must with the added sugar. Or you could just add water if you don't want to add juice.
     
  8. Ply318ci

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 15, 2012
    I see that makes perfect sense thanks so much. This is my first wine ever and I am pretty excited. Thanks again.
     
  9. hbhudy

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 26, 2012
    I hate to ask this, but I have not seen this question answered (if it was I apologize),,,, Can you use Juice Cocktail? Or does the recipe need to use 100% juice?
     
  10. Meadrol

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 31, 2012
    DON'T use the cocktail; it has all kinds of preservatives in it, which will inhibit fermentation. If you can't find the 100 percent juice, then use the one that has ascorbic acid added to it. The thing you need to look for and avoid are the juices/cocktails that list sorbates or sulfites.
     
  11. K5MOW

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 9, 2012
    I am going to try this one tomarow.

    Roger
     
  12. K5MOW

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 9, 2012
    Ok I have a questen. Can you just pich the yeast right away and not wait 12 hours befor puting the yeast in.

    Thanks Roger
     
  13. Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Nov 13, 2012
    No. You don't want pectic enzyme and yeast going in at the same time. They don't "play well together". So if you leave out the pectic enzyme, and any sulfites, you could add the yeast right away. But I would suggest following the recipe at least the first time.
     
  14. Schmoogdaddy

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 17, 2012
    I have 6 gallons of white grape/peach in process. I racked to the secondary, added 6 Campden tablets, degassed it and discovered that I didn't have any potassium sorbate on hand. That was a week ago. Is it OK to re-rack onto potassium sorbate at this stage or should I just leave it alone, bottle it and drink it/give it away as is? I will be back-sweetening, so I am wary of kicking off a new fermentation.
     
  15. Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Nov 17, 2012
    You don't want to add the sorbate anyway until the wine is totally clear, and no longer throwing any lees at all after at least 60 days. If you're at the point, you can add the sorbate anytime and then sweeten a few days later.
     
  16. Schmoogdaddy

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 17, 2012
    Good to know...and just in time to keep me from running out to my LHBS;)

    Thanks very much.
     
  17. blh3d

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 20, 2012
    Just mixed up three gallons of this stuff. One gallon original concord and two gallons of white grape juice. Going to pitch Montrachet in the morning.

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    Has anyone else tried this and what are your results?
     
  18. Lushife

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 20, 2012
    Just made a similar batch. It was my first wine and I made it because I was bored. My recipe was.

    13 cans of frozen apple juice
    1 cup of honey
    1/2 cup of blackstrap
    1/3 cup of sugar
    I boiled everything but the juice with a little water then added it to the juice in my ale pail and topped off to 5g and pitched Lalvin EC-1118. I let ferment for 2 weeks then primed with honey and bottled. It's been in the bottles for about a month now.
     
  19. Lushife

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 20, 2012
    I tried one about two weeks ago it has good carbonation but not much flavor. I don't remember what the gravity readings were but I think I came with 5%abv when I did know. Any suggestions for adding some flavor.
     
  20. rialaigh

    Active Member

    Posted Nov 28, 2012


    I know this post was forever ago but I did the recipe tonight except with cranberry grape (welches) and intentionally upped my OG to roughly 1.118-1.12. I used the exact same yeast and am hoping my yeast chokes out around 1.010 or 1.015, Looking to have a nice sweet wine that packs a punch...good for drinking and getting :drunk:


    I will update in roughly 30 days to see what my final SG is and let ya know how it taste, I plan on bottling and leaving for 1-2 months before consuming after that.
     
  21. SpaDe

    Member

    Posted Dec 7, 2012
    Have a question about this recipe. I did up a batch of this about 4 moths ago, and it is still in my secondary. Just curious if this ever actually gets "clear" as in you can see through it, or if it just finishes like other deep reds and is more opaque than clear?
     
  22. Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Dec 7, 2012
    It's clear, but since it's dark you have to hold it up to the light to look through a glass.
     
  23. Meco211

    Member

    Posted Jan 8, 2013
    I am new to the site and am attempting to make this wine. I have a question about the yeast, do i use the whole packet? using Lavin EC-118. Thanks agian and have enjoyed reading through the site!

    Toby
    Columbus, NE
     
  24. Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Jan 10, 2013
    Yes, use the whole packet of yeast!
     
  25. Meco211

    Member

    Posted Jan 10, 2013
    Thanks, its bubbling away!!
     
  26. edmanster

    Whats Under Your Kilt  

    Posted Jan 11, 2013
    have made lots of different variations of this... im getting the most feedback for a raspberry apple grape.. its has a great tart too it..
    props yoop!!
     
  27. Meco211

    Member

    Posted Jan 13, 2013
    Yooper,

    Ok so today was day five and bubbling has slowed down. took read and got a reading of 1.002. I racked into secondary and have placed an airlock on it. Starting SG was 1.096

    My question is how long to i wait til i stablize and do i need to add any clearing agents to it?

    thanks
     
  28. Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Jan 13, 2013
    It should clear just fine on its own. It should finish up shortly, and when it stops dropping lees completely after at least 60 days, it'd be fine to stabilize and bottle.
     
  29. Meco211

    Member

    Posted Jan 13, 2013
    thanks for quick responce!!

    so do i need to keep checking SG to see if reading stays the same? And that is approximately 60 days, then stabilize. Now for storage during this stage, do i want it in cooler temps or same as I have had it in for primary. 64-66 has been my tempature range, but i can move to basement to get it closer to upper 50's

    thanks again
     
  30. Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Jan 14, 2013
    Once it stops, it won't get any lower. So you don't have to keep checking. Let it finish up, and then it will start to clear. Keep it in the mid 60s for at least a month or so, then you can rack it off of the sediment and move it to a cooler place if you really want to. I would keep it where it is, then after it's racked, if no new lees form after 60 days, it's ready to stabilize (if sweetening) and then bottle.
     
  31. Meco211

    Member

    Posted Jan 14, 2013
    Thanks for the help!!
     
  32. waynedonelson

    New Member

    Posted Jan 16, 2013
    I have a couple of 1 gallon glass bottles to use for the fermentation. Can you add water to bring to one gallon after primary fermentation has settled down in order to keep it from bubbling out of the bottle or do you need the gallon volume to start?
     
  33. waynedonelson

    New Member

    Posted Jan 16, 2013
    Scratch that, they are 3L bottles. Can i still use yooper's recipe but make 3L instead of the full gallon? Will it just be stronger?
     
  34. andrewlk

    New Member

    Posted Jan 16, 2013
    Read all 56 pages of this and then decided it's time to sign up. I started Yooper's (thanks Yooper!) recipe on Tuesday (times 5) so...

    Sanitized with potassium metabisulfate

    6 1/4 lbs of sugar (used organic sugar)
    10 cans of Welch's concord concentrate (said 120% vit C)
    2 tsp ascorbic acid (went less than prescribed out of caution)
    2 tsp pectin enzyme (ran out)
    5 tsp yeast nutrient
    Spring water topped up to 5 gal.
    Red Star Montrachet yeast (started in water for 10 hours before pitching, didn't take) tried activating again with new pack for 15 min. and it took almost immediately. Stirring twice a day.

    Otherwise followed instructions as posted and it seems to be doing well, lots of activity.

    OG before yeast: 1.101 @ 62F (then used a space heater to bring it up to 70F)
    SG after 24hours: 1.07 @ 76F (6F Above thermostat reading - all on its own!)

    This is my first attempt at making any fermented beverage.
     
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  35. BrewDaddyJoe

    New Member

    Posted Feb 6, 2013
    Yooper! Awesome thread... thanks for all the tips and advice, I've learned a lot from this thread.

    Here's the recipe and process I went with on my first batch of Welche's Wine

    3 Gallons Welches 100% Grape Juice (Juice not concentrate cans... expensive rookie mistake -_-)
    6 and 2/3 cups of table sugar
    2 Yeast packets of Pasteur Red

    Left in primary for 16 days then

    degassed
    added one crushed campden tablet
    added one pack of isinglass for clarification, then racked to secondary

    I plan to let it age for for a total of 90 days from brew day and then add one more crushed campden tablet and bottle.

    When I taste tested on day 16 I loved it! It has quite a "bite" to it which I think is from the high abv%. I hope it mellows out with some aging.

    I was wonder what tips everyone had to improve upon this recipe for future batches as I am looking to make this have an even more complex taste?? (oak chips, raisins, something else?) I'd love to hear what everyone has to say about it.

    Should I let it age in bottles or in my better bottle?

    ALSO!!! I tried my hand at making a little over a gallon of wine from apple juice on the same day. It tastes like wine with apple juice poured in :mug: not what I was going for. Who knows what some age might do to it though. Does anyone have any good apple based drink recipes as well?
     
  36. Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Feb 6, 2013
     
  37. andrewlk

    New Member

    Posted Feb 15, 2013
    1 month update - here are my notes:

    After 48 hours from adding yeast SG was 1.04 @ 70F

    After 72 hours SG was 1.02 @ 69F

    @ 84 hours SG was 1.012 and I racked into secondary and airlocked (1/2 way through 4th day)

    On day 18 I reracked and airlocked, SG was .998 @ 65F and I topped off with bottled spring water.

    Today (Day 31) SG was .996 on the dot. I reracked and added 5 crushed campden tablets and 2/3tsp (maybe a little more) of potassium sorbate and again airlocked. It tasted pretty good, easily could drink as is, not much bite, not completely dry and somewhat but not overly tart. I plan to leave it a week or so and then back sweeten a sample to taste and try to match SG when I'm where I like.

    Thanks for the wealth of information available here - sorry if I'm dredging up a tired thread.

    andrew
     
  38. Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Feb 16, 2013
    I don't think 2/3 teaspoon of sorbate is enough for 5 gallons. I rarely use it, but I think the dose is more like 1/2 teaspoon or 2/3 teaspoon per gallon. If it's going to be sweetened, I'd definitely use more sorbate!
     
  39. Sevenal

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 17, 2013
    Made a gallon of this yesterday, well pitched the LALVIN 71B-1122
    I let it sit over night for about 14 hours then pitched the yeast after rehydrating at
    105 degrees. Today, some 28 hours later I have zero activity at 69 - 70 degrees F
    I presume it will take off eventually, just a little on the cool side.
     
  40. cardtarget

    Member

    Posted Feb 19, 2013
    I made 5 gallons of this stuff and bottled a few weeks ago. It's fine... not terrible - about what I'd expect for under $1 a bottle. Does it get a little less alcohol tasting with a bit of age? Or is it pretty much done now?
     
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