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Water Help with Black IPA

Discussion in 'Brew Science' started by farmskis, May 7, 2014.

 

  1. #1
    farmskis

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 7, 2014
    I am going to brew a black IPA here in the near future. My thoughts are to follow the primer and add some calcium chloride and gypsum (to help with the hops) and skip the sauermalz because of the roasted malts. My water is closest in line with Pilsen. Any other suggestions? I used the calcium chloride and gypsum on my last brew... an IPA and I really liked the outcome! I skipped the sauermalz in that as well due to my water being so soft already. Will I run into any problems trying to create a darker beer with my soft water?
     
  2. #2
    mtnagel

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted May 7, 2014
    I brewed the Wookey Jack clone on here and used the advice from the brewer at Firestone Walker that was given in the thread:
    Here's what my finished water came out to:
    Ca - 100 ppm
    Mg - 10 ppm
    Na - 22 ppm
    SO4 - 214 ppm
    Cl - 21 ppm
    HCO3 - 64 ppm

    Beer came out great so I think that is a good starting point.
     
  3. #3
    farmskis

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 7, 2014
    Thanks! It looks like I am along the right track. The numbers will help me figure out amounts to add.
     
  4. #4
    ajdelange

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted May 7, 2014
    There is the potential to have and overly low pH if you use too much dark malt. The question, of course, is 'How much is too much?' Unfortunately, the answer is 'Enough to push your pH too low.' This is really the place where a pH meter is worth its weight in gold. If the roast stuff is less than 20% of the grist you should be OK but if one of the highly colored grains in unusually acidic you could undershoot at that level. Barring access to a pH meter I guess my advice would be to keep the roast stuff at 15% or less. That should give you plenty of color and a reasonable pH.
     
  5. #5
    farmskis

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 8, 2014
    Good point! I believe the darker malts are maybe 10%. So I should be ok.
     
  6. #6
    troglodytes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jan 14, 2020
    I'm resurrecting this dead thread as opposed to a new one as I'm about to brew a Wookey Jack Clone and I had a completely different water profile in mind. My current plan for a profile is as follows:

    Ca: 51
    Mg: 2
    Na: 39
    SO4: 75
    Cl: 75

    My thinking was that I'd want Sulfate and Chloride roughly the same. With the roasted grains I wouldn't want to much bitterness and risk it being acrid. And I don't want Chloride too high because you want the some roast to come through, but more importantly this is not a porter but a hop driven beer so you a level of dryness. Is my thinking flawed? I'll copy the water profile in the original post if its proven to work with this recipe, but the +200ppm sulfate levels look like it would be way too high for a recipe with 6% of the grist being 500L or darker.
     
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