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Sugar techniques?

Discussion in 'Beginners Beer Brewing Forum' started by OlRed, Feb 12, 2011.

 

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    OlRed

    Active Member

    Posted Feb 12, 2011
    I am currently brewing an Irish Stout using a MB kit (only my second batch). It has been in the primary for exactly two weeks today and I plan on letting it sit another week before bottling. The directions call for adding sugar when bottling but I've heard that this may not be the best method. Any suggestions?
     
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    hotrodtrash

    Active Member

    Posted Feb 12, 2011
    I've used standard table sugar to carb all my beers. I have no complaints.
     
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    cyberwollf

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 12, 2011
    adding lots of sugar during the boil is what you probably read about people advising against. corn sugar at bottling is used by most people
     
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    TANSTAAFB

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 12, 2011
    Not sure what you heard, but most of us that bottle use about 3/4 cup of corn sugar boiled in a cup or two of water, cooled, and added to the bottling bucket before racking the beer on top. You might have heard people say not to use table sugar, but even that is fine...you are adding very little in 5 gallons of beer and it is fully fermentable. Some use DME instead of sugar and the REALLY dedicated krausen their brews to carb them http://www.homebrewtalk.com/wiki/index.php/Krausening.

    And props for having the patience to wait 3 weeks on your first brew...I did not have that kind of patience!!!

    Welcome to your new obsession :mug:
     
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    Revvy

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    Posted Feb 12, 2011
    You need to add sugar at bottling time in order for it to carb. The yeast needs to eat the new sugar in order to "fart" the co2 to carb the beer. There are better or worse ways to add it, if that is what you mean. I find the best way is to bulk prime, by boiling up your priming sugar in 2 cups of water, and adding it to your bottling bucket as you transfer the beer onto it, then fill from the bottling bucket with a bottling wand.

    Here's a lot of good tips for making bottling easy here; http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f35/bottling-tips-homebrewer-94812/
     
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    G_Force_5

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 12, 2011
    I too have a stout. 2 weeks in primary Carboy. 2gallons. I'm getting excited to bottle. There has been no action in the air lock for 4 days. I want to bulk prime with table cane sugar. What amount of water and sugar?
    I figure this will be ready by st pats.
     
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    OlRed

    Active Member

    Posted Feb 13, 2011
    Thanks for all of the input. For the time being I bottle straight from the primary so I guess I will add the sugar directly to the bottles. Maybe next time I'll have a bottling bucket and can try the other techniques you all suggested.
     
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    Revvy

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    Posted Feb 13, 2011
    Why don't you just hold off bottling and go to the hardwarestore and make a bottling bucket? You can do it for under 10 bucks, and it will save you a lot of headache for your first time bottling. Plus how are you physically going to get the beer into your bottles. You can't just pour it it, and you can't just open the spigot and let the beer "fall" into the bottles, that will cause the beer to come into contact with too much oxygen and oxydize.

    (Technically, we fill from the bottom of the bottle up to the neck, this helps to void any oxygen out of the bottles.)

    Go to a hardware store and get a translucent or white bucket...but look for one where the 5 gallon mark falls way below the top of the bucket. Usually it will say 5 gallons at 3rd band from the top. (oh get the lid too....I totally regret not getting it when I did.)

    Then get a spigot and make a dedicated bottling bucket.
    Mine is the translucent Leaktite brand 5 gallon container with the gallon and liter markings from Homedepot.

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    Here's a pic of mine from my bottling thread.

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    You'll be much happier with bottling if you don't go out of your way frustrate yourself.
     
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    rudu81

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    Posted Feb 13, 2011
    Also use Revvy's bottling spigot idea. One of the great and simple additions!


     
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    Revvy

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    Posted Feb 13, 2011
    LOL...I was thinking we need to actually get him using a bottling bucket first. ;) But you're right, he might as well build it as the delux model.
     
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    TANSTAAFB

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 13, 2011
    I ran across Revvy's bottling set up after I bottled my first batch, followed his advice, and never looked back!!! Attaching the bottle filler right to the spout is SOOOO wuch easier than trying to juggle 3-4' of tubing and keep everything sanitary.

    Your life will be MUCH simpler if you buy or make the tools you need beforehand. Adding sugar to the bottles will work but often results in inconsistent carbonation. I also understand that sometimes you don't have the time or the scratch to do it the way you might like...this hobby is all about making do, even if it means doing it the hard way. Hell, I make full boil 5.5 gal batches on my stove w/ one 5 gal pot and one 3 gal!!! Not the best method, but the beer is still good :mug:
     
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    OlRed

    Active Member

    Posted Feb 14, 2011
    In my first batch from the MB kit i just bottled directly from the primary (MB keg) using the tap. It was pretty painless and i tilted the bottles so as to attempt to reduce splashing. But i'm willing to make the extra effort to get better results. you say that "allowing the beer to fall into the bottles" will expose it to too much oxygen, but how can I get it from the primary to the bottling bucket without exposing it to oxygen....other than by purchasing a siphon and hoses?
     
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    OlRed

    Active Member

    Posted Feb 14, 2011
    on a second topic....I was thinking about using brown sugar versus white sugar when bottling my stout. any down side to this?? thanks again everyone!
     
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    Revvy

    Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc  

    Posted Feb 14, 2011
    I talk about all sorts of alternative priming sugars in my bottling stickey, in like the first 12 posts or so...
     
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    wolverinebrewer

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 14, 2011

    There's no trick. That's exactly how you get it there, an auto-siphon and about 36" of hose. I set my primary bucket on the counter and the bottling bucket on a folding chair. The top of the bottle bucket is at the level of the bottom of the primary bucket. A 36" hose is long enough that the outlet end lays on the bottom of the bottle bucket which allows the beer to come out horozontally along the bottom creating zero splashing.
     
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