Refrigerated Conical

I have done a ton of research looking for a conical that has it's own refrigeration all built in. Sure there are a lot of cooling options, most of which either require DYI like glycol jackets and immersion chillers. And/ or simply can't get down to lagering temps so are really only good for combating higher than optimal ambient temps for ales and such. Such as thermoelectric like Morebeer.
Or require placing the entire conical in it's own fridge which comes with square footage consumption and access issues.

I have been building my own and it is going well so far, I got 5 gallons of water anyway down to 34 deg. Just figured there must be a reason I can't find a conical that has refrigeration built in and insulated so I never have to deal with hoses, glycol, pumps, etc. And if whatever reason that is will rear it's ugly head in my system when it is done causing me to say "OOOOOhhhhhh..... That's why this isn't on the market....."

Am I missing something?

 

Look at a fridge or AC unit. How wonky would it be to have a compressor and everything on a conical? Where would you put it?

 

http://www.glaciertanks.com/Conical_Fermenter_w_Jckt-15_Gallon_100L_Conical_Fermenter_Jacketed.html

This is the smallest insulated, jacketed fermentor that I have been able to find. Pretty sure it will still need a glycol chiller, but I doubt you're going to find anything more self contained on a homebrew scale. Are you saying you want the conical built into an air cooled refrigeration unit? Personaly, I think you're better off with seperate components, that way when something breaks, you can repair or replace just that part, rather than the whole thing. So other than something like this, I'm not sure I understand what you have in mind.

 

This is what you are looking for, I think.

http://www.morebeer.com/products/75-gallon-conical-fermenter-heated-cooled.html

 

Yes exactly, only those are thermoelectric, i'm talk refrigerant like a fridge.

I've been testing with thermoelectric ice probes anyway and though they are an energy hog can keep you in optimal ale temps any time of year. I have seen people have problems achieving that claimed 32 deg temp differential with theirs though. I'd hate to spend $1700+ on something to do a specific thing only to have it not and have to settle. I've been using professionally optimized peltiers for a while now and know reliably achieving 32 deg diff on 5 gallons of sometimes heat generating liquid would consume a ton of power.
But definitely can't cold crash. And this.... Looks honky in my opinion.


But I have also been testing with actual refrigeration. The entire system fits completely under the cone in a nice neat package probably 19" in diameter total with everything completely covered. Very sleek looking. Only one plug in cable to the outlet and that's it. It consumes a lot less power and like I said, can get to the mid 30's for temp so lager is an easy option all the way through the process. Actually I over clocked it in testing and had ice droplets starting to form. Blew the doors off thermoelectric hands down. Of course my system isn't done yet, but if in my spare time I can piece together a fully enclosed refrigerated conical that can cold crash reliably, why can't a conical manufacturer? Just figure there has to be a good reason that I am not seeing.

TxBigHops makes an excellent point though. If the condenser takes a dump, then all you have is an insulated fermenter. Which in it's own right isn't a bad thing to have as you can still then do the immersion option. But still, the most logical explanation I can see so far.

Thanks all