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pellet vs whole hops

Discussion in 'Beginners Beer Brewing Forum' started by scubasteve03, Jun 12, 2012.

 

  1. #1
    scubasteve03

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 12, 2012
    I'm looking to save some money by buying in bulk and was curious if there was any difference in using 1 oz of pellet hops vs 1 oz of whole hops or do I have to use a little more or less?
     
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    HawksBrewer

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 12, 2012
    Generally speaking, you will get a greater contribution of alpha acids from pellet hops than an equal weight of whole hops. That being said, some people find whole hops to provide better aroma.

    If you are using brewing software (even hopville and the such) just make sure to plug in the correct type and it will calculate estimates for you.
     
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    Horseballs

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 12, 2012
    I think the biggest consideration for buying hops in bulk is the space required. I can comfortably have 4# of pellet hops into my freezer and still use it for things other than hops. I can't imagine how much space leaf hops would take up.
     
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    TheMan

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 12, 2012
    It's quite ridiculous. They take up a LOT of space
     
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    looneybomber

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 12, 2012
    If you go to Avery's website and check out their beer tour video, they'll show you their room where they store hops, and due to space constraints, they use pellet hops. I figure if one of my two favorite breweries uses pellets, I can too.
     
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    DonMagee

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 12, 2012
    My problem with whole hops is they always tend to make trouble for me in the kettle and in the fermenter. They clog up the tube and break my siphon when trying to transfer from the kettle and they are a pain to get though the tiny neck of a carboy when dry hoping.

    This is why I love pellets.
     
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    scubasteve03

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 12, 2012
    So you can buy pellet hops in bulk?
     
  8. #8
    eastoak

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 12, 2012
    yes. try hopsdirect, nikobrew, northernbrewer, rebelbrewer, freshops, austinhomebrewsupply, and many others on the web.
     
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    duboman

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 12, 2012
    Whole leaf hops suck up a lot more wort/beer so there are adjustments that need to be made in your volumes. In addition, the AAU value of whole hops may vary due to the grower and the growing season so utilization may change as well. Just because the hops are the same variety the AAU may be different between whole and pellet.
     
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    jbaysurfer

    Former future HOF Brewer  

    Posted Jun 12, 2012
    How small are your freezers? My pellet hop 1# bags take up about 5X9" and are 1/2" thick. Leaf hops are vacuum packed and I would say take up the space of a youth sized football.
     
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    scubasteve03

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 13, 2012
    Thanks. When I browsed northernbrewers magazine and website I assumed they only sold leaf in bulk by the image. I guess that's what I get for assuming lol.
     
  12. #12
    eastoak

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 13, 2012
    thanks for that link, amazing that i've never seen this vendor on here considering the amazing prices on pounds of hops.
     
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    heckler73

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 13, 2012
    so, I boiled pellets for the first time (partial boil, extract). While I normally strain the leaf hops out with a spaghetti strainer while pouring into the primary, the pellets clogged up the strainer.

    What's the solution? Do I have to strain the pellet hops out of the kettle when dumping into the primary?
     
  14. #14
    looneybomber

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 13, 2012
    -Chill your kettle and stir it real well.
    -Let it settle for a while (I normally stir real well and let it sit so it can continue cooling in the sink of water for another 15min or so). This is called whirlpooling.
    -Siphon from your kettle to your fermenter and you leave behind a whole lot of junk.
    -I then use a hand blender to aerate the wort.
     
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    dfc

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Jun 13, 2012
    I use a 5 gal. paint strainer bag that fits inside my fermenting buckets. Pour your wort into the bucket with the bag inside of it, pull out bag, squeeze out the wort and you're good to go.
     
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    nhansen

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 13, 2012
    I open the spigot on my kettle and strain through a sanitized paint straining bag to catch hops and random break materials. The bag fits nicely over my primary bucket and I can get a good dozen or so uses out of each bag. It also does a decent job of aerating my wort although I don't think I've ever brewed a truly heavy beer yet. Probably take last statement with a grain of salt.
     
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    bobbrews

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 13, 2012
    All very true. But that is why you wrap your racking cane with the nylon mesh bag and funnel the leaf hops in your secondary before the beer is in there.

    Pellets are easier to work with so you don't necessarily have to follow the same guidelines. Just toss em' in.
     
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    looneybomber

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    Posted Jun 13, 2012
    Oh that's way faster and easier than my method...I like it!:rockin:
     
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    ResumeMan

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    Posted Jun 14, 2012
    Search for "hop spider."
     
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    Pezman1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 14, 2012
    When the strainer starts to slow down from clogging, stop, turn the strainer over and tap its rim in your sink. All the pellet hop debris will fall into your sink without contaminating the strainer. repeat untill the beer is transferred.

    The hop spider is great also.

    Pez.
     
  21. #21
    jbaysurfer

    Former future HOF Brewer  

    Posted Jun 14, 2012
    Hop spiders dont' catch 100% of the pellet sludge, unless I'm using the wrong strainer bag, but I still strain it afterwards as described above.

    Once you've done a batch with a pound of hops, mixed whole leaf and pellets, you realize exactly the issue this guy is having.

    That said, if there's not copious amounts of hops like I just described, it's no big deal to let them get into the fermenter, but leaf hops create issues (that can be overcome of course) with siphoning, and pellet hops make yeast harvesting very difficult.
     
  22. #22
    jbaysurfer

    Former future HOF Brewer  

    Posted Jun 14, 2012
    BTW, I'm addicted to big IPAs. My process is to double hop bag my pellets in the boil kettle (leaving lots of extra room in the hop bag for expansion), whirlpool while chilling, strain into the fermenter (I soak the strainer bag in starsan) and that pretty much takes care of things.
     
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    jbaysurfer

    Former future HOF Brewer  

    Posted Jun 14, 2012
    BTW, I'm addicted to big IPAs. My process is to double hop bag my pellets in the boil kettle (leaving lots of extra room in the hop bag for expansion), whirlpool while chilling, strain into the fermenter (I soak the strainer bag in starsan) and that pretty much takes care of things.
     
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    eastoak

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 15, 2012
    freshops.com is one place for cones.
     
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