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One Step caused Off Flavor?

Discussion in 'Equipment/Sanitation' started by efreem01, Jul 9, 2007.

 

  1. #1
    efreem01

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 9, 2007
    Hey,

    I recently switched to One Step sanitizer when i ran out of C-Brite and bleach is just the bane of my homebrewing existence. For my first use, i transferred my continental pilsner to secondary. On bottling day, i used the one-step to sanitize everything from the autosiphon to my bottling bucket and everything in between. I took a paper towel and dipped it in sanitizer then wiped down the whole inside of the bottling bucket. After that, within 15 minutes i bottled. I think there was still a decent accumulation of sanitizer on everything but figured it was a no-rinse solution so went with it.

    Within one week of bottling a continental pilsner, it had a taste that i can only describe as salty and the texture was all wrong. I couldn't possibly find the words to describe it, but it tasted somewhat like one-step smells when you get it on your hands. Has anyone else had an issue with one-step?

    Now i changed my procedure and yesterday, i dipped all of my bottles in sanitizer and let them dry on the bottle tree for over 2 hours to ensure they were dry (and introduce bacteria) We'll see how the double IPA comes out in two weeks.
     
  2. #2
    EdWort

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 9, 2007
    Sorry to hear that. I use PBW or Oxiclean for cleaning and Starsan for all my sanitizing. Starsan rocks and has never affected my beer even when I rack on a bucket full of bubbles and the sides still wet. In fact, what's there just dilutes and becomes food for the yeast.
     
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    Otis The Drunk

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 9, 2007
    Funny, I've used 1 step for years and never had an off flavor, but then again I rinse after use.
     
  4. #4
    Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Jul 9, 2007
    I only use one step and never rinse and never had a problem. I never heard of applying it with a paper towel before, though. I just mix up a gallon (1 tablespoon per gallon of warm water) and use it. I put some in a spray bottle and spray the items that I can't dunk in it. I mix it up in the primary bucket (or bottling bucket) and shake it around alot with the lid on to get all the surfaces. I pour it through the siphon and tubing and make sure everything is coated well. I don't let it dry much, but it is fairly dry by the time I siphon into the bucket and then bottle.
     
  5. #5
    gman

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 9, 2007
    I'm with YooperChick on this one. I've only used bleach (yeck) and one-step, and I dry my stuff (especially at bottling) for about 2 minutes before I go ahead and use it. I do however make absolutely sure that all the granules are dissolved before I go ahead and call it "ready to use".

    I've also never done the paper towel thing. I just run everything through my autosiphon (for the hoses) and all my gear. I also shake the heck out of the carboy and use a soft brush (carboy brush) to spread the liquid around.

    The only "off-flavor" I've had so far (4 batches only, so not much, but hey) is LME twang.
     
  6. #6
    EdWort

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 9, 2007
    Then you are using 2 Step. :drunk:
     
  7. #7
    malkore

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 9, 2007
    rinsing One-step is like taking a sterile syringe and dipping it in mud before use. DON'T DO IT.

    I used One-step 8 years ago when I quit brewing, and I started back up brewing with one-step this time, though I've added star-san to my arsenal now.
    never had a single problem with one-step and off flavors, and I never rinse it.
    my 1st batch back into brewing is just hitting 3 weeks in the bottle, and it was entirely one-step sanitized, including bottles, bottle bucket, filler hose and bottle filler wand.
    tastes great, no off flavor or texture.

    if you had actual granuals of one-step in your bucket or bottles that hadn't dissolved (and thus didn't pour off when you were done sanitizing...) I could see it.

    Also, one-step needs a couple minutes of actual contact time. so the paper towel trick would require probably 3 wipings, 60 seconds apart.
    I usually just make 3 gallons of solution, put the lid on, and shake it a few times. then i pour it to another bucket for sanitizing everythign else, and put the lid back on to keep the primary (or bottle bucket) from acquiring any wild spores.
     
  8. #8
    efreem01

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 10, 2007
    I'm not sure why this no-rinse sanitizer threw off the flavor of my beer. But on the bright side, that first bottle at 1 week tasted like one-step and butt. At 3 weeks, the sanitizer taste seems to have mellowed a little. It's definitely more drinkable. This whole ordeal caused me to jump on AHS and purchase the 33oz of Iodophor.

    I don't want to stir up that can of worms again, but if everyone is raving about Starsan so much, maybe i'll move from Iodophor to Starsan when i run out.
     
  9. #9
    brewt00l

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 10, 2007
    I generally use one step, don't rinse and have used carboys while still plenty wet with one step..no off flavor issues. Unless you had undissolved granules or a large amount of solution mixed with your beer, I would keep looking for your off flavor issue.
     
  10. #10
    Hopleaf

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 10, 2007
    Once my Iodophor is gone I'm moving to StarSan. `Oxyclean Free` tub from costco to clean
     
  11. #11
    Lepoc2635

    Active Member

    Posted Jul 10, 2007
    I know this has been said several times, and I'm only a newbie, but I've used One Step for all of my batches (only 8 so far), and I definatley leave everything wet. I haven't had a problem with off flavors yet.
     
  12. #12
    5gBrewer

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 30, 2007
    I have used One-Step to sanitize all of my equipment, and myself at times, for a year and a half now. Only recently (within the past 6 months) did I begin to notice a more chemically taste to my beers that I didn't want there AT ALL.

    I began to do some experiments with the last of my 1-Step (literally like 2 tablespoons left): Any beers that I bottle, I make half rinsed, half unrinsed, and I swear, the beers that are in the RINSED bottles taste better. Maybe it's all in my head, but either way I'm going to try a new sanitizing solution.

    So what's the BEST solution?

    5gB
     
  13. #13
    ScubaSteve

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 30, 2007
    Star-San is REALLY popular. It's flavorless, odorless, can be stored and reused (as long as the pH remains low), and only requires 1 min for contact. Most people go with this sanitizer over other options....iodophor might be next on the list.
     
  14. #14
    ScubaSteve

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 30, 2007
    BTW, 5gBrewer- I see you're looking at going into business...Star-San may prove much cheaper than other sanitizers due to the fact that you can store and re-use it after it is in solution. You'd have to do the math to prove it though.;)
     
  15. #15
    5gBrewer

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 30, 2007
    Yeah, I kinda remember one of the brewmaters over at Highland Brewery saying that they used the Iodophor, but I think I'm going to try out the StarSan 1st.
     
  16. #16
    ScubaSteve

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 30, 2007
    Star-San is good stuff! I'm thinking about trying iodophor soon though, because I'm a nurse and have "unlimited access" to the stuff....if you know what I mean;)
     
  17. #17
    brewt00l

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 30, 2007
    I would try a different sanitizer in your situation though what you lay out there sounds like you could have something else going on.
     
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