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Mash tun kettle

Discussion in 'All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing' started by lenohallock, Nov 21, 2015.

 

  1. #1
    lenohallock

    Member

    Posted Nov 21, 2015
    This may seem like a stupid question, but why does it seem like people tend to heat their mash water in the hlt then transfer to their mash tun when they have a kettle style mash tun. Why not just heat the water in the mash tun then add the grains?
     
  2. #2
    Singletrack

    Because it's judgement that defeats us.

    Posted Nov 21, 2015
    1. Now you're going to make "people" feel stupid.

    2. Because they have a HLT and they want to use it.

    3. Who does this? We need names, so we can make fun of them properly.

    4. Maybe they are only heating sparge water this way?
     
  3. #3
    stella_tigre

    Queen of the Upper Mississippi  

    Posted Nov 21, 2015
    Maybe the mash tun kettle only has a small burner to maintain heat, and the HLT has a big one?
    Just guessing....
     
  4. #4
    cyanmonkey

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 21, 2015
    I'm guessing they fly sparge from the HLT.
     
  5. #5
    arnobg

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 21, 2015
    As a newer brewer I have a question... Why do people fly sparge and use two pieces or more of equipment when they can just BIAB and have a shorter/cheaper brew day?
     
  6. #6
    RM-MN

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Nov 21, 2015
    Because it's TRADITION! and because they have more equipment to impress their friend and can take more time brewing so they have time to drink more beer.:rockin:
     
  7. #7
    cyanmonkey

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 21, 2015

    Because it's fun.

    Also you get better efficiency...not that you can't spend an extra $2 for some base malt to make up for it, but you don't brew just to get the beer.

    For me it's like fishing. You don't fish to eat. Yeah you get to eat the fish, but it's about being on the lake, in nature, with a friend. It's about the process.
     
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  8. #8
    chickypad

    lupulin shift victim  

    Posted Nov 21, 2015
    cue @RM-MN...
     
  9. #9
    cyanmonkey

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 21, 2015

    ?
     
  10. #10
    RM-MN

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Nov 21, 2015
    Chickypad knows that I typically get over 85% efficiency with BIAB. Many 3 vessel brewers don't exceed 75%. My first batch I brewed BIAB full volume, no sparge got me 80%. I'm not the only one that gets that kind of efficiency with BIAB and I'm not the highest either.
     
  11. #11
    cyanmonkey

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 21, 2015

    Are you a wizard? What do you do to get such high efficiency? I've done BIAB a few times and have gotten 72% consistently.
     
  12. #12
    chickypad

    lupulin shift victim  

    Posted Nov 21, 2015
    Yes sorry if that was cryptic, I worked the graveyard last night and posted before my nap. As an experienced BIAB brewer RM-MN is good at dispelling some of the myths that go around, such as that BIAB = sacrificing efficiency. Many of us who have brewed different systems know that is not the case.
    :mug:
     
  13. #13
    RM-MN

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Nov 21, 2015
    One of the advantages of BIAB is the bag as you don't need to depend on the grain husks for forming a filter bed. Without needing the husks intact you can mill much finer and with that finer milling comes increased efficiency. Mill your grains until they look like cornmeal. Some have even gone to using the blender to mill them finer (small quantities for small batches).
     
  14. #14
    cyanmonkey

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 21, 2015

    Do you have to pay more attention to ph to avoid astringency? Also, how clear is your wort transfer?
     
  15. #15
    Singletrack

    Because it's judgement that defeats us.

    Posted Nov 21, 2015

    This thread may have gotten derailed somehow. Hope this helps. :)
     
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  16. #16
    chickypad

    lupulin shift victim  

    Posted Nov 21, 2015
    Everyone needs to pay attention to pH to avoid astringency, the main potential issue with BIAB is the often thinner mash which can exacerbate water issues. Not sure about what the others experience but for my BIAB batches the wort in the kettle is hella cloudy, coming out of the kettle and finished beers are clear.
     
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  17. #17
    RM-MN

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Nov 21, 2015
    I always thought that the goal was to get clear beer, not clear wort. Other than a taste I never drink wort anyway. The wort is always really cloudy but that clears up in the fermenter and clear beer is the result.
     
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  18. #18
    cyanmonkey

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 22, 2015

    Well, the only negative I could think of is having a lot more trub than with a three vessel system and resulting in less beer, but I'm sure it's fairly negligible.
     
  19. #19
    tennesseean_87

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 25, 2015
    I do fly sparging for the efficiency I get opposed to BIAB (my BIAB-fu needs work), and because I have a 6 gallon bucket-tun that I can't brew ful-volume in unless I go for smaller beers. My pots are 4-gallon (stove-top boils), so that would severely limit BIAB batch size, even with a sparge step. When I can I really want to go eBIAB for a quicker brew-day, even if I sacrifice efficiency (which may not happen).
     
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