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HOWTO - Make a BrewPi Fermentation Controller For Cheap

Discussion in 'Fermenters' started by FuzzeWuzze, Mar 19, 2014.

 

  1. ds0oc1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 19, 2014
    Continuing from this - I just removed all the devices and rebooted my Pi. When it came back up I seen two unassigned sensors with different values. I then setup those two sensors, hit apply and refreshed the device list. Now they look like this:

    brewpi3.png

    Both the values are null and my temperatures are blank.
     
  2. thekraken

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 19, 2014
    I'd think you would want to give them a different function, they are both set to monitor beer temp.

    [Edit] You posted again as I was making this reply. In light of your next post, I dont know. Check your probe connections, try resetting, etc... Sorry, I'm sure someone else will chime in with the advice you need.
     
  3. ds0oc1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 19, 2014
    I think it was the power supply to my Pi. I pulled out my multimeter and while running everything the voltage was dropping down to 4.60. I switched to another power supply from an old smartphone I had and it was around 4.90.

    Both probes are now giving me a temperature.

    Now time to play with the relay - :ban:
     
  4. ds0oc1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 19, 2014
    Relay works great too - this is 100% operational!

    Thanks for the great guide!
     
  5. Borisfa

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 19, 2014
    On device 2, change function from Beer Temperature to Chamber Temperature and click Apply.
     
  6. ds0oc1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 19, 2014
    Thanks for the reply.

    Both sensors had the same value so if I changed one the other got those same changes. This is fixed now anyway -/needed to change my Pi's power supply.
     
  7. ds0oc1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 19, 2014
    What's beat practice for mounting this in an enclosure?

    Should I mount the relay/receptacle in a different box as the rest or can it all be in the same?

    Also what closure sizes should I be looking to pickup?
     
  8. wbarber69

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 19, 2014
    The relay can be in the same box as the pi. With respect to keeping the high voltage lines away from the signal lines to reduce interference. If you're using an ssr, heat will be an issue so that has to be taken into account.
     
  9. bdpeters

    New Member

    Posted Dec 19, 2014
    Hoping someone can help, my table is about to break from me banging my head on it.

    Having trouble getting my relay to work. It shows up fine in the Web interface and seems to be configured correctly. When the relay is supposed to turn on, I see the light for the appropriate relay illuminate, however it doesn't seem to cause the relay to close the circuit. I've double checked my wiring and haven't seen anything wrong. Also have switched out the relay to no avail. Any suggestions?
     
  10. ds0oc1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 19, 2014
    How hot can the SRR get while in the enclosure? Hot enough to melt the enclosure? Fire hazard?
     
  11. wbarber69

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 19, 2014
    Well it's not the same kind of load, but I have 3 in a large enclosure that run my keggles. All of them have heatsinks and there are fans in the box. One of them is inconveniently placed and doesn't get enough airflow. I've had to change it out 4 times from it popping.
     
  12. Mikmonken

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 19, 2014
    Is it plugged into 3.3 or 5 v mine needed 5v to actually switch on the hardware the light would come on but it wouldn't actually switch at 3.3v, that's was the mistake I made as had the LCD plugged in so no other 5v socket available
     
  13. wbarber69

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 19, 2014
    Take a picture
     
  14. FuzzeWuzze

    I Love DIY

    Posted Dec 20, 2014
    Good to hear, power can be a fickle thing especially with all of these cheap Chinese things we get in the US now..5V doesnt mean you necessarily get 5V ...
     
  15. FuzzeWuzze

    I Love DIY

    Posted Dec 20, 2014
    Yes they can get so hot they malfunction and short and start a fire.

    Make sure you have heat sinks and fans for SSR's or they will fail..whether they start a fire or just burn out is up to the gods that day. I wouldnt risk it. Especially with these cheap ass chinese SSR's that we seem to get everywhere in the US.

    Some dudes SSR that failed in his hot tub..
    [​IMG]

    I want to clarify though that the relays on the Relay board module for the arduino i recommend uses mechanical relay switches not solid state relay switches which do not require anything.

    For our use case honestly a mechanical relay is fine, SSR's primary advantage is speed in switching which we dont care about, as welll as probably number of toggles its rated for before it dies. But the relay(each, so hot and cold) is rated for 100k switches at max voltage, thats literally your cold relay switching 50 times a day, 365 days for over 5 years. In real use of brewing a single mechanical relay can last you many decades and is more likely fail from something else like a power surge.

    I'll stick to using mechanical for these situations and leave SSR's for where they shine, in electric HERMS/RIMS systems where you need to rapidly switch power on and off dozens of times per second to your heater coil to get your temp right.
     
  16. thekraken

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 20, 2014
    Scary, I'd like to know what actually caused that and what we can do to prevent it? Was it bad wiring, poor quality ssr, poor quality something else in the box, poor attachment to the heat sink, etc?

    The guy that posted that on morepage.com mentions that he's seen that a few times, I'd hate to think that if we did everything right there is still a decent chance that could happen.
     
  17. wbarber69

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 20, 2014
    Sadly SSRs fail closed. Then overheat and melt. All mine turned into mozzarella cheese
     
  18. thekraken

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 20, 2014
    All of them?! We're they at least cheapo ssrs from China and we could blame it on that?
     
  19. wbarber69

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 20, 2014
    Well of course.

    By all of mine, I meant all the ones that have failed. I've got 2 and an ssvr that have never had any issues.
     
  20. thekraken

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 21, 2014
    Do you have any SSR shopping advise?
     
  21. wbarber69

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 21, 2014
    But the best ones you can afford
     
  22. mschrock

    Active Member

    Posted Dec 21, 2014
    Any one working on the DIY version of the new brewpi spark?
     
  23. BBQnBEER

    Active Member

    Posted Dec 21, 2014
    My relay doesnt seem to be relaying. Should I have lights on it? Its getting 4.98v. Brewpi does however say Temp control disabled and no matter what temp I apply it says "temperature control disabled. Fridge will not heat or cool but will still log temperature"

    View attachment 1419206074014.jpg
     
  24. day_trippr

    We live in interesting times...

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    If you display the Maintenance Panel, go into Device Configuration, enable the Read values check box, then click Refresh device list, do the probe channels return temperatures, or read as Null?

    Cheers!
     
  25. BBQnBEER

    Active Member

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
  26. BBQnBEER

    Active Member

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    Oh sorry 0 and 1 read values.
     
  27. day_trippr

    We live in interesting times...

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    Right, probes are clearly tracing and it looks like you have your cool and heat channels set up properly.

    Did you try running something simple like Beer Constant?

    Cheers!
     
  28. BBQnBEER

    Active Member

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    Yeah I goto the beer consistent tab and its defaulted to 20F. I hit apply and status goes to "mode consultant set" for about 2 seconds then flips back over to "Temperature control disabled"
     
  29. BBQnBEER

    Active Member

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    Wait. Its fixed! I guess it didn't like to 20F default I tried 53F and it popped on.
     
  30. ds0oc1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    Don't mix up your fridge/beer probes or your graph will look like this :drunk:

    Untitled picture.png
     
  31. ds0oc1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    Glad its working for yah!

    Cheers!
     
  32. day_trippr

    We live in interesting times...

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    lol! Well, there really isn't much use for a 20°F setting in our world, and I reckon BrewPi knows that ;)

    I think that happens because the initial default setup is for Centigrade - where 20° would actually make sense. If you switch your initial configuration to Fahrenheit it doesn't change that 20° to its 68°F equivalent...

    Cheers!
     
  33. gfisher99

    Member

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    Hey guys - followed this awesome guide and got BrewPi running great with very little issues.

    My question for you Linux gurus, I have the CanaKit USB WiFi dongle, and since putting Rasbian on my Pi (was using XBMC before) it seems that WiFi does not start automatically, and I have to remove and reinsert the dongle every time I reboot, the power goes out, etc. Is there something I need to configure to ensure WiFi starts at boot? The reason this is sort of an issue for me is because I built a custom enclosure for all the components, which involves me removing a cover each time I reboot.

    Please let me know if you have any ideas?

    Thanks
    Greg
     
  34. thekraken

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
  35. gfisher99

    Member

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    I found some info and got it working. Basically changed the wpa-roam to wpa-conf in /etc/network/interfaces

    Seems to connect to WiFi during boot now.

    Thanks!
     
  36. thekraken

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    Cool. Would you mind linking the info you found?
     
  37. gfisher99

    Member

  38. BBQnBEER

    Active Member

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    Last I stopped the script and this morning at work I wanted to show off and share with my coworker now I cant get the script running again. Where do I go to find out why it wont start. I'm at work so I dont have access to the laptop, only the brewpi page.
     
  39. wbarber69

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    Why did you stop the script
     
  40. BBQnBEER

    Active Member

    Posted Dec 22, 2014
    I'm an idiot. I didnt see the 'Off' tab and I didnt want it to be switching and trying to maintain the temp in my garage with nothing plugged in to the outlets. So I clicked stop script.
     
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