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How do I ship two cases of beer?

Discussion in 'Bottling/Kegging' started by WillowTheDog, Nov 8, 2010.

 

  1. #1
    WillowTheDog

    Member

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    I need to ship two cases of beer (48x 12oz bottles) from California to Texas. Has anyone else done such a large shipment? I could bubble wrap each individual bottle like I have in the past, but then I would end up with several heavy boxes (i.e. expensive).

    Anyone have any suggestions?
     
  2. #2
    Revvy

    Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc  

  3. #3
    cruckin78

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    Wrap each bottle very good! Then as far as FEDEX, USPS, Etc is concerned your shipping "Olive Oil"
     
  4. #4
    WillowTheDog

    Member

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    Yes, I did read that before posting. I was specifically asking for advice on shipping two full cases of beer. Of course I could wrap each bottle in bubble wrap and put a handful in each box (like I have done many times before). I was hoping someone might have shipped a full case before and had some special tips.
     
  5. #5
    nebben

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    Ship a couple of kegs, at least 100 bottle caps, a counterpressure filler and associated tubing, and a voucher for a CO2 tank and 100 bottles of some sort of cheap beer that can be dumped out for clean usable empty bottles. Let the receiver do the bottling. ... .

    Or fill up 96 bottles and carefully pack each one with bubblewrap, and separate them in sections of sealed garbage bags in case one ruptures. Use FedEx ground or UPS ground- it will likely be the cheapest non-illegal form of shipping (which will still be expensive). You're shipping 96x12 fluid ounces of beer, the bottles+caps, and all that packing material. There isn't any way around it.

    The first is probably easier. :)
     
  6. #6
    Slider46

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    Some rough calculations:

    Total weight of beer + bottles + packing material = 2,000oz = 125lbs.

    If you split them into (4) 18" square boxes - the boxes would be about 30lbs each (reasonable) and would cost about $27 each for USPS Parcel Post.

    Easily $140-$150 if you add the cost of packing material.

    Or spend two days driving time, and about the same amount of money on gas/food to drive. (Assuming from Los Angeles to Dallas in a vehicle that gets 30mpg with gas @ 2.70 per gallon)
     
  7. #7
    MikeRoBrew1

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    I have been contemplating sending 2L pop bottles filled from the keg. Two bottles will fit in a large USPS flat rate ground box for $15 shipping. One 2L bottle is ~equal to a six pack.
     
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    MrInternet

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    Absolutely illegal. And kind of a slap in the face to the rest of us who ship legally... why make the hobby more difficult that it already is?
     
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    Walker

    I use secondaries. :p  

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    Who exactly is being slapped in the face?

    The only people who are shipping legally are those that possess a license to do so. And it many cases, the person receiving the shipment must also have a license.
     
  10. #10
    wyzazz

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    I don't ship beer, I ship "Yeast Samples in Transport Medium". ;)
     
  11. #11
    tlael

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    In four separate boxes with this (and a few peanuts) as packing material.
    http://ebeaver.com/
    Look at
    12 Bottle Pulp
    Beer Shipper
     
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    MrInternet

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    Well... I said "illegally", I meant "illegally". It is against Federal law to ship alcohol via the USPS. It is not against any laws to do so with common carriers like FedEx or UPS... it is against their "maybe we care, maybe we don't, depends on the counter employee you get that day" POLICIES, but there certainly aren't any laws being broken that would jeopardize the hobby in any way.

    So, ship it whatever way you can, just don't use the Postal Service to do it, because to do THAT is, actually, against the law. Unless I have a completely wrong view of things...
     
  13. #13
    Walker

    I use secondaries. :p  

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    You said, "slap in the face to the rest of us who ship legally"... that's the part I was questioning.

    The carrier is almost irrelevant here. If you are shipping alcohol, you need a license to do so. FedEx and UPS 'official' policy is that you have to provide this license if you are shipping alcohol. Do they enforce it? I don't know, but the real issue is that the government says you must have a license to ship alcohol. If you are shipping within the same state, you need a state license. If you are shipping across state lines, you need a federal license.

    USPS is special in that they don't care if you have a license or not, they won't ship your alcohol.

    So, if you have shipped alcohol and didn't have a license, you have broken the law. If you shipped it via USPS, you broke another law.

    edit: I don't care if you break the law. I just wanted to clear up that shipping USPS is probably no worse than shipping FedEx if you don't have a license. Both are illegal.
     
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    MrInternet

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    OK, I guess this is where I apologize and ask for a citation? :) Thanks man...
     
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    Walker

    I use secondaries. :p  

    Posted Nov 8, 2010
    il dig up the info later if you want, but FedEx website, UPS website, and the ATF website has the info on it
     
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    Walker

    I use secondaries. :p  

    Posted Nov 9, 2010
    UPS
    from http://www.ups.com/wine (they didn't have a page specifically for beer). I added the red color.


    And from FedEx's alcohol shipping agreement (http://www.wineinstitute.org/files/fedex-alcohol_shipping_agreement.pdf)
    The atf website sucks (and is primarily concerned with guns and tobacco), so I am having problems finding the application forms for the license, but I did see it before.

    While digging this up, I also go the impression that you have to also have a state license for each state where the shipments will be sent.
     
  17. #17
    Revvy

    Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc  

    Posted Nov 9, 2010
    That's because the ATF doesn't care about Booze since 9-11, they sent all the alcohol (and I thought the Tobacco) part of their division to the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau and only kept the guns part. (Chicks dig cops who bust gun runners, but hate "revenuers." :D)

    Try here, Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB)

    Looks like all the permits and stuff are there.
     
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