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home grown hop disappointment

Discussion in 'Hops Growing' started by ekjohns, Oct 21, 2011.

 

  1. #1
    ekjohns

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2011
    I have some first year cascade that grew about 12 oz of dried hops. They were picked when the hops were pappery, tips brown, and lots of lupilin. However i brewed with them adding 1 oz at 10 min and 2 oz at flameout. However the smell was never as good as hops i buy. If anything they were more grassy smelling. They were dried very well on a screen. Is this cause they are first years or cause they were picked at the wrong time?
     
  2. #2
    NorthSide

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2011
    i also dried a lot of my first year centennials and they don't smell as good as store bought hops, so i'm worried i might end up with the same issue. i'm curious to know if next years with have better aroma...
     
  3. #3
    Retrofit

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Oct 21, 2011
    First year hops spend a lot of energy trying to survive in their new home. There are a lot of factors that influence growth, weather, water, soil, blah, blah.

    I personally think all my hops are more aromatic than store bought hops. In fact I just brewed last weekend with a guy that never used home grown hops and he was amazed at the aroma of my Mt. Hood. After I dropped the hops, you could see a pile of lupins at the bottom of the vacuum bag. Give them another year and some more love, they'll come back stronger than first years. Good things come to those who wait. ;)
     
  4. #4
    solbes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2011
    I've found the same thing and am hoping for better results in year 2, and excellent results in year 3.
     
  5. #5
    ekjohns

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2011
    I figured the first year would not be that good, but i was optimistic when I got 12 oz off one plant. Guess it doesn't have to do with amount as much as quality?
     
  6. #6
    cfonnes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2011
    Almost exact same thing happened to me. 12 oz of hops (wet) from first year Columbus. I made a wet hop ale with all 12 oz, great bittering but little to no aroma and grassy. I was thinking that perhaps it was because I live in such a dry environment, but now I am looking forward to next year.
     
  7. #7
    ekjohns

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2011
    I got 12 oz dry! but mostly grassy and no aroma...cant wait till next year I should have MUCH more
     
  8. #8
    edsrockin

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 8, 2011
    i tried to brew an all Nugget IPA with fresh hops. i put 5 oz -- 2 oz for 60 min, 1 for 30 min, 1 more for 5, 1 oz at flameout, and 2 oz dry hopped for 14 days. there is hardly ANY hop flavor to it. there is some bittering but nothing like i'd expected. i did formulate a big grain bill for it to balance out the hops, but it is FAR from an IPA. i am glad to read that this seems to be a common thing for first year yields. next year! next year! :)
     
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    gbx

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    Posted Nov 9, 2011
    My first year harvest ale is terrible with a brutal "cheese and lawn cuttings" character. I've been using it only for cooking but I always give it a try and its definitely getting better. I'm storing bottles around the house at different temperatures so its also gonna be an experiment on how beer ages. Hopefully it will age into something drinkable and hopefully next year's harvest is better.
     
  10. #10
    day_trippr

    We live in interesting times...

    Posted Nov 9, 2011
    The "cheese" character is usually indicative of oxidation. How did you store the hops - and for how long - before using them?

    Cheers!
     
  11. #11
    gbx

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 9, 2011
    I didn't store them at all. We picked during the mash and used them wet.
     
  12. #12
    Hopfarmer

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    Posted Nov 9, 2011
    The grassy smell is a sign that the cones were not mature when picked.Even though papery and a little turning brown or golden at tips which could be a sign of under watering.
     
  13. #13
    ekjohns

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 10, 2011
    hmm, next year I will have to read up on watering. However, the 3 weeks before they were picked it rained almost every other day.....global warming....:mad:
     
  14. #14
    richbrew99

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 10, 2011
    Did better than my first year cascades, I got nothin.
     
  15. #15
    nsrooen

    Member  

    Posted Nov 10, 2011
    I ended up getting a pound of hops from my two Cascade plants, dried them on a screen in the garage, vacuum packed and froze them. So far i have used them with great results in two beers. I only got 1 oz from my two Magnum plants.

    So I do not believe that your first year hops will necessarily be unusable. Depends on how you take care of the plants and when you harvest. I guess it also depends on climate and whether you chose the right plant for where you are located.
     
  16. #16
    cheezydemon3

    Banned

    Posted Nov 10, 2011
    store your hops shrink wrapped in a baggie for 2 months and when you open them up you will get more aroma, but it is only your perception.;)

    My homegrown ale is a home run this year.
     
  17. #17
    SPR-GRN

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    Posted Nov 11, 2011
    My first years all were destroyed by the hurricane that hit New England... I just hope they come back next year, and to build a sturdier hop trellis.
     
  18. #18
    cheezydemon3

    Banned

    Posted Nov 11, 2011
    That SUCKS SPR, sorry.

    Wet hops impart grassy. Nothing unusual about that.
     
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