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Here's an actual recepie. Input?

Discussion in 'Beginners Beer Brewing Forum' started by tackett, Feb 12, 2013.

 

  1. #1
    tackett

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 12, 2013
    Alright! So I finally plugged in some stuff into a calculator and came up with, what I think, will be my first viable partial mash.

    I copied and pasted this, so it's sort of a gigantic wall-o-text, but it's readable. Let me know what you guys think!




    Method: Partial Mash
    Style: Belgian Blond Ale
    Boil Time: 60 min
    Batch Size: 5.5 gallons (fermentor volume)
    Boil Size: 4 gallons
    Efficiency: 50% (brew house)
    Original Gravity: 1.073 Final Gravity: 1.018 ABV (standard): 7.28% IBU (tinseth): 10.76 SRM (morey): 4.65
    Fermentables
    Amount Fermentable PPG °L Bill %
    1 lb Flaked Wheat 34 2 8.3%
    0.5 lb Flaked Oats 33 2.2 4.2%
    1 lb American - White Wheat 40 2.8 8.3%
    0.5 lb American - Carapils (Dextrine Malt) 33 1.8 4.2%
    2 lb Honey 42 2 16.7%
    1 lb Dry Malt Extract - Wheat 42 3 8.3%
    6 lb Liquid Malt Extract - Extra Light 37 2.5 50%
    12 lb Total
    Hops
    Amount Variety Time AA IBU Type Use
    0.5 oz Saaz 60 min 3.5 3.85 Pellet Boil
    0.5 oz Domestic Hallertau 60 min 3.9 4.28 Pellet Boil
    0.5 oz Saaz 5 min 3.5 0.77 Pellet Aroma
    0.5 oz Domestic Hallertau 5 min 8.5 1.86 Pellet Aroma
    Hops Summary
    Amount Variety AA Type
    0.5 oz Domestic Hallertau 3.9 Pellet
    0.5 oz Domestic Hallertau 8.5 Pellet
    1 oz Saaz 3.5 Pellet
    Mash Steps
    Amount Description Type Temp Time
    16 qt Sparge 155 F 30 min
    Other Ingredients
    Amount Name Time Type Use
    0.5 oz Coriander 5 min Spice Boil
    3 each Star anise 30 min Spice Boil
    0.5 oz Lemon peel 0 min Flavor Primary
    4 each Camomile tea bags 5 min Spice Boil
    1 oz Sweet orange peel 5 min Flavor Boil
    Yeast
    White Labs - Belgian Wit Ale Yeast WLP400
    Attenuation (avg):
    76%
    Flocculation:
    Low-Med
    Optimum Temp:
    67 - 74 °F
    Starter:
    Yes
    Fermentation Temp:
    70 °F
    Pitch Rate:
    0.5 (M cells / ml / ° P)
    Priming
    Method: Corn sugar Amount: 4.5oz
    Target Water Profile: Balanced Profile
    Ca+2 Mg+2 SO4-2 Na+ Cl- HCO3-
    75 5 80 40 75 110
    This recipe is not shared.
    Last Updated: 2013-02-12 20:15 UTC
     
  2. #2
    SC_Ryan

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 12, 2013
    2# of honey is a lot for a 5 gallon batch. I would go with .5#-1#. Also, be very careful with spice. This looks overly spiced to me.
     
  3. #3
    The-Baron-of-Charnwood

    Active Member

    Posted Feb 12, 2013
    I've never brewed with honey, so I'm not sure how much honey flavor is left after fermentation. I would second the concerns over spicing that SC_Ryan brought up. Pick one or two spices and go with those.

    Also, with an OG in the 70's and only 10 IBUs, I think this beer may end up a bit on the sweet side. Hopefully the honey addition will help dry it out though.
     
  4. #4
    SC_Ryan

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 12, 2013
    Oops, for some reason I was thinking honey malt and not actual honey. You can disregard my honey comment.
     
  5. #5
    tackett

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 12, 2013
    Thanks guys.

    Do you think the mash grains look ok?
     
  6. #6
    sweetcell

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Feb 12, 2013
    > 1 lb Flaked Wheat 34 2 8.3%
    > 0.5 lb Flaked Oats 33 2.2 4.2%
    > 1 lb American - White Wheat 40 2.8 8.3%

    you're on the low side for conversion - only the white wheat has diastatic power, the flaked wheat and oaks contain no enzymes. you should be OK but i wouldn't go any lower. an extra half-pound of wheat or two-row wouldn't hurt.

    > 3 each Star anise 30 min Spice Boil

    way too much. the stuff is really powerful. i'd start with half a star and see how you like that.

    you seem to be in the throws of a bad case of newbiekitchensinkitis. we've all gone through it. a piece of advice that you probably won't heed, but here goes anyways: put down the spice rack and step back. cut those additions in half, if not more (as in, do not add 5 ingredients, pare down to three - say both peels and the coriander). with so much stuff in there you won't know what is creating the flavors, and what to change next time - so you opportunity to learn from this batch is greatly reduced.

    it's much better to have a few flavors that compliment each other than an army of tastes that turn everything into a giant mess. do you think you'll taste all those spices? even if you do, you won't be able to taste the malt and delicious belgian yeast. a traditional witbier has very subtle spicing.

    also, you've got 8.5% hallertau?!? :)
     
  7. #7
    tackett

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 13, 2013


    Thank you!


    So, your right. Lets tone this business down some.




    I'm going to ditch the partial mash. Simply because I don't think I'm ready to mash quite yet. I want to research some more. So lets do this extract and steep.




    White Horse
    Added By: Tackett
    Method: Extract
    Style: Witbier
    Boil Time: 60 min
    Batch Size: 5.5 gallons (fermentor volume)
    Boil Size: 3 gallons
    Efficiency: 35% (steeping grains only)
    Original Gravity: 1.050 Final Gravity: 1.012 ABV (standard): 5.02% IBU (tinseth): 19.28 SRM (morey): 4.27
    Fermentables
    Amount Fermentable PPG °L Bill %
    1 lb Dry Malt Extract - Wheat 42 3 11.1%
    6 lb Liquid Malt Extract - Wheat - (late addition) 35 3 66.7%
    7 lb Total
    Steeping Grains
    Amount Fermentable PPG °L Bill %
    1 lb Flaked Wheat 34 2 11.1%
    0.5 lb Flaked Oats 33 2.2 5.6%
    0.5 lb American - White Wheat 40 2.8 5.6%
    Hops
    Amount Variety Time AA IBU Type Use
    0.5 oz Domestic Hallertau 60 min 3.75 8.32 Pellet Boil
    0.5 oz Saaz 60 min 3.5 7.76 Pellet Boil
    0.5 oz Saaz 5 min 3.5 1.55 Pellet Aroma
    0.5 oz Domestic Hallertau 5 min 3.75 1.66 Pellet Aroma
    Other Ingredients
    Amount Name Time Type Use
    0.5 oz Crushed Coriander 5 min Spice Boil
    1 oz Bitter orange peel 5 min Flavor Boil
    4 each Camomile Tea Bags 5 min Flavor Boil
    Yeast
    White Labs - Belgian Wit Ale Yeast WLP400
    Attenuation (avg):
    76%
    Flocculation:
    Low-Med
    Optimum Temp:
    67 - 74 °F
    Starter:
    No
    Fermentation Temp:
    70 °F
    Pitch Rate:
    0.5 (M cells / ml / ° P)
    Priming
    Method: Corn sugar Amount: 4.5 oz
    Target Water Profile: Balanced Profile
    Ca+2 Mg+2 SO4-2 Na+ Cl- HCO3-
    75 5 80 40 75 110
    This recipe is not shared.
    Last Updated: 2013-02-12 16:48 PST
     
  8. #8
    sweetcell

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Feb 13, 2013
    in terms of learning about brewing, i think that moving to partial mash will do more to (potentially) improve your beer than the multiple spice additions. so stick with the PM if you can and feel comfortable about it (and ask questions on this board if you aren't!).

    you say you want to revert to extract & steep, however your recipe still contains flaked grains and wheat malt. these all need to be mashed, you can't just steep them. flaked grains and wheat malt are unconverted.

    the only grains you can steep (only) are converted grains, AKA crystal or caramel grains: C-15, C-60, honey malt, caramunich, black patent, chocolate malt, etc. go to http://www.homebrewtalk.com/wiki/index.php/Malts_Chart and click through to a malt's entry - if it has "Recommend Mash: TRUE", then you cannot just steep it and you need to mash it.
     
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