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Help with First All grain

Discussion in 'All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing' started by kevinb, Sep 22, 2012.

 

  1. #1
    kevinb

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Sep 22, 2012
    This is my first attempt at all grain. :ban: I am trying to figure this out and could use some help. I am doing a Tank 7 clone (Saison). The following is my grain bill:

    6.2# of Pale malt
    1.7# of corn flakes
    0.2# of malted white wheat

    I got the clone mash schedule and it is the following:
    63C for 50 min
    68C for 25 min
    73C for 15 min
    75C before mashing off

    Hops
    Bramling cross 1 oz 60 min
    Amarillo 0.8 Oz with 5 min left
    Amarillo 0.5 oz at flame out

    Targets
    efficiency - 70%
    SG - 1.071
    IBUs - 38

    I don't have a lot of equipmnet so I plan on about a 3 gallon boil size in a 6 gallon pot. I plan to do all of my mashing in a sparge bag in the brew kettle. I plan to use 1qt/# for mashing (8.3 quart) and then following the heating schedule above. I will then rinse (sparge) with enough water 170F water to get to about 3.5 gallons.

    My questions

    What does the term mashing off mean?
    Do I need to be more scientific about calculating the amount of water I use to mash or sparge? I saw some calculators online like the one attached, but I don't know what they mean.
    Any other advice?

    mash.jpg
     
  2. #2
    punkerdru

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Sep 22, 2012
    Important assuming you mean mash out instead of off. Mash out is an injection of hot water to get the mash above 170 F, to make sure conversion stops. With biab like you're doing, you don't need it. And don't worry about getting precise with the water amounts, it'll be beer anyhow, it just might be hard to exactly replicate later on. But for you're first AGAIN brew, sounds like you've got a good plan. RDWDAHB, and good luck!
     
  3. #3
    LoneWolfPR

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Sep 22, 2012
    What yeast are you planning on pitching?
     
  4. #4
    kevinb

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Sep 22, 2012
    I plan on using Wyeast 3711.
     
  5. #5
    kevinb

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Sep 22, 2012
    Thanks.
     
  6. #6
    ArcLight

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Sep 22, 2012
    Kevin,

    >> What does the term mashing off mean?

    I think you men mash out, not mash off. Its the process of raising the mash temperature to around 170 to denature (destroy the enzymes) that convert sugar, so that the sugar profile stays at the level.


    [hey - this is a USA site, whats with the Celsius. :p Now I gotta convert! :D]

    I got the clone mash schedule and it is the following:
    63C for 50 min [145F - this is on the low end, it will work, it will create a more fermentable (dry) wort]
    68C for 25 min [154F - now the Alpha Amylase will be more effective, as the Beta amylase is denatured]
    73C for 15 min [163F - what is the point of this? The prior mash step will be good enough]
    75C before mashing off [167 - this is the mashout, to denature the enzymes]


    >>I don't have a lot of equipmnet so I plan on about a 3 gallon boil size in a 6 gallon pot.
    >> I plan to do all of my mashing in a sparge bag in the brew kettle.

    This is called BIAB - Brew in a Bag. A method that is rising in popularity, and will one day supplant "traditional" mashing in a cooler ;)
    There is a stick about it under the All Grain Folder.

    >> I plan to use 1qt/# for mashing (8.3 quart)

    I think that is a WAY TOO THICK mash. Use at least 1.25 Q/lb and probably 1.5Q/LB to 2Q/LB will give you better conversion and efficiency. Thats the advantage of BIAB.
    For 8.3 lbs, use at least 12.5 Q of water.
    I would use 16 quarts.

    >> and then following the heating schedule above. I will then rinse (sparge) with enough water 170F water to get to about 3.5 gallons.

    Just mash with more water. Then if you like, you can soak the grain bag in some additional water in a different pot, to wash out the extra sugar and reach your desired volume.


    This is a neat calculator:
    http://www.buildabeer.org/beerquickcalc.php
     
  7. #7
    kevinb

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Sep 23, 2012
    Thanks Arclight. Informative. I like the idea to soak the grain bag in a different pot of water instead of trying to rinse. How much water in the second pot?
     
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