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Getting off stubborn pin lock post

Discussion in 'Bottling/Kegging' started by jodell, May 11, 2017.

 

  1. #1
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 11, 2017
    I have just acquired some used pin lock legs from a guy who had some extras. My problem is the pin lock post are practically welded on...i have tried everything to get them, as followed:

    Using a wrench
    Socket wrench
    Adding some lighter fluid to try to loosen them
    Using an impact driver with a socket adapter to give it more torque
    Using a touch to heat up the post to expand, throwing cold water on them to contract them (This can help to loosen gunk, but alas was unsuccesful)

    Anybody else have any ideas?
     
  2. #2
    RedlegEd

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted May 11, 2017
    Hi. I also use pin locks, and it seems you've tried most of the tricks. The only other one I'd suggest is removing the lid and place the keg upside down in a bucket (or your kettle) of very hot water (or boiling.) Leave it in the water for a while to give it a chance to get into the threads of the posts. I'm betting there's either dried soda syrup or beer on the threads that's acting like glue. Since the o-ring that seals the post is under the pickup/gas tube, the hot water should be able to seep into the threads and loosen the "glue." Hope this helps. Ed
    :mug:
     
  3. #3
    BrewSRQ

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 11, 2017
    Turn them the other way?

    In all seriousness, if none of the above methods worked, maybe a looong soak in kroil/penetrating oil might help. I'd have replacement O-rings ready because if the torch didn't get them, the penetrating oil might.

    Also your method of heating and cooling is kind of backwards. This method will expand the post and threads and then shrink the post onto the still hot threads.
     
  4. #4
    RedlegEd

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted May 11, 2017
    +1 ^^^ on getting new o-rings. Since these kegs are used, and you've already had problems getting the posts off, I'd recommend replacing the poppets too to ensure you have absolutely gas tight kegs. I got these poppets from Amazon. Be sure to order the poppets from NY Brew Supply (same cost, free shipping...look to the right side when you go to the page,) the others have really weak springs. I also ordered new o-rings from Amazon. Be sure to use the correct ones. Pinlock posts use a different size than ball-lock. Ed
    :mug:
     
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  5. #5
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 11, 2017
    I've made the mistake of using old o-rings. I already have a set ready I just need to get these post off. I do think sitting it upside down in a bucket could work.
     
  6. #6
    Homercidal

    Licensed Sensual Massage Therapist.  

    Posted May 11, 2017
    Creatively build a slide-hammer to yank on the posts a bit. You'd probably need to make something that will slip under two sides of the bottom of the post, like a wheel puller kind of thing.
     
  7. #7
    jwelch1103

    Supporting Member  

    Posted May 11, 2017

    +1

    I bought some pin locks that had the same problem And this is what I did to loosen them.
     
  8. #8
    RedlegEd

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted May 11, 2017
    @jodell . When you said a socket, did you use a pin lock socket (the kind with grooves for the pins?) If not, and you're the least bit handy, don't spend big $ on a "special" pin lock socket. Get a cheap 13/16" six point deep well socket and grind out your own. The CO2 pins are 180⁰, and the liquid pins are 120⁰. You can use one pin slot as common. Hope this helps. Ed
    :mug:

    Pin socket.jpg
     
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  9. #9
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 11, 2017
    Yes it's a pin lock socket
     
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  10. #10
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 11, 2017
    Currently it is soaking in just boiled water and oxi-clean. I'll see if I can get any results after I get off work tonight
     
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  11. #11
    RedlegEd

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted May 11, 2017
    Good luck! Ed
    :mug:
     
  12. #12
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 12, 2017
    Well it's back to the drawing board...
     
  13. #13
    Homercidal

    Licensed Sensual Massage Therapist.  

    Posted May 12, 2017
    Man, I can't recommend anything if an impact wrench didn't do it. Well, maybe a better impact wrench...

    I wonder if the previous owner used threadlock on it to keep it from leaking.
     
  14. #14
    beernutz

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 12, 2017
    Righty tighty, lefty loosey?

    Just kidding. Did you try using a pipe on your socket wrench for added leverage?
     
  15. #15
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 12, 2017
    I will say it's an impact driver with a wrench attachment (not as strong as an impact wrench) but should still be enough tourque.


    I have not tried that...i can tell you I have put enough torque to actually bend the post crooked.

    Also I have ripped some of the pins, so I'm at the point I need to get new post anyways, I just have to get them off first
     
  16. #16
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 12, 2017
    I'm thinking about taking an angle grinder, cutting the tops of the post, making sure some oil gets in the thread, and yank them off.
     
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  17. #17
    k1ngl1ves

    Well-Hung Member  

    Posted May 12, 2017
    That's a good idea. The vibration might loosen up some grime in the threads too. Might be easier to just push the poppet down and squirt some penetrator in it though.

    Or put a pipe wrench on it, and hit the wrench with a big hammer. That's worked countless times for me at work. Not with kegs, but you know...


    You're gonna replace them anyway.

    :mug:
     
  18. #18
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 12, 2017
    I have tried that

    I do need to try to smack it with a hammer, might work.
     
  19. #19
    Homercidal

    Licensed Sensual Massage Therapist.  

    Posted May 12, 2017
    You're going to bend/crack that keg if you twist too much.
     
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  20. #20
    k1ngl1ves

    Well-Hung Member  

    Posted May 12, 2017
    Yeah, but who doesn't want a 5 gallon ss fermenter?!!! :ban:
     
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  21. #21
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 12, 2017
    If I can't get the post off they won't be much good anyways.

    I'm still going to try my angle grinder strategy
     
  22. #22
    MaryB

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 13, 2017
    Proper impact... they have a LOT more torque than your impact driver. I have a cordless one that gets used a LOT.
     
  23. #23
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 14, 2017
    Well it has been one hell of a match but so far the score is 3-odell 1-pinlock keg.

    In other words, I have 3 post off, one more to go. Letting it soak in penetrating oil longer
     
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  24. #24
    RedlegEd

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted May 14, 2017
    Just because I'm the curious sort, what caused the threads to seize that badly? Ed
    :mug:
     
  25. #25
    Stealthcruiser

    Supporting Member  

    Posted May 14, 2017
    Stainless is notorious for seizing,but better known as "galling" of the threads, and anything will contribute to it, like age, soda syrup, ( crystallizes), improper torquing procedures, etc...

    Stainless is nice, but it has it's faults.:D
     
  26. #26
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 15, 2017
    there was a ton of dark crystal...so either soda or stout more than likely
     
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  27. #27
    hvjackson

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted May 15, 2017
    I had a pin lock keg with a post that would not come off, no matter how much struggling I did with a socket wrench, hand-held impact driver, etc. I took it to a local auto mechanic (with the special socket) and they were kind enough to use their pneumatic impact wrench to take it off. Took them about 0.1 seconds. Just make sure the keg is not pressurized, obviously.
     
  28. #28
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 15, 2017
    I work at lowes and we have some of those. I go in tomorrow and they said I can use the battery powered one and take it out to my car to get it off. All I need of is that last one and I have new kegs! MORE BEER!!!
     
  29. #29
    hvjackson

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted May 15, 2017
    By all means, try a battery-powered impact wrench. But I have one and it was not sufficient. A pneumatic wrench is a whole different level of torque... will be several times better than even a high-end battery powered tool.
     
  30. #30
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 15, 2017
    I will probably take it to an auto mechanic next..however, I work at Lowes so it is a free, easy option that will be better than what I have already
     
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  31. #31
    Stealthcruiser

    Supporting Member  

    Posted May 15, 2017


    You should inquire afterward: "Hey, what's the employee cost on that display model battery powered impact?"...... :D
     
  32. #32
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 15, 2017
    Well fortunately I already know what I can get it for....however SWMBO has put me on a tool sabbatical...
     
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  33. #33
    Homercidal

    Licensed Sensual Massage Therapist.  

    Posted May 15, 2017
    Shmbo?
     
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  34. #34
    Stealthcruiser

    Supporting Member  

    Posted May 15, 2017

    She hourly.....
     
  35. #35
    Homercidal

    Licensed Sensual Massage Therapist.  

    Posted May 15, 2017
    She Has My B****, Ok?
     
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  36. #36
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 15, 2017
    Who starts with an H right?
     
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  37. #37
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 15, 2017
    Alas, the beast has been vanquished! All post are off and actually 2 of them are still in good condition!
     
  38. #38
    Homercidal

    Licensed Sensual Massage Therapist.  

    Posted May 16, 2017
    Noice!
     
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  39. #39
    mongoose33

    Supporting Member  

    Posted May 16, 2017
    Here's what I did to improve my leverage on a stubborn post; might or might not help:


    kegleverage.jpg

    kegleverage2.jpg
     
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  40. #40
    jodell

    Welltown Brewery

    Posted May 17, 2017
    This is how I felt during this process

    fd298a0cc05a820185233ca7f5e3019f2fe4560f.jpg
     
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