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fly/batch sparging

Discussion in 'All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing' started by JimEb, Apr 22, 2015.

 

  1. #1
    JimEb

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Apr 22, 2015
    Help me clear something up. I'm a seasoned extract brewer looking to leap to all-grain. I see the terms fly and batch sparging thrown around a lot, but never found any clear definitions. This is what I'm assuming, please correct if wrong.

    Fly sparging: While draining your mash, you slowly rinse the spent grains with hot water until boil volume is achieved. Mash tun is continuously draining to boil kettle.

    Batch sparging: Drain mash, close off valve to boil kettle, fill mash tun up with a volume of hot water. Let rest a bit or maybe immediately open valve and drain to boil kettle.

    Is this the jist?
     
  2. #2
    Homercidal

    Licensed Sensual Massage Therapist.  

    Posted Apr 22, 2015
    That's pretty much it.
     
  3. #3
    Homercidal

    Licensed Sensual Massage Therapist.  

    Posted Apr 22, 2015
    But don't forget to stir the grains after you add the sparge water when batch sparging. A LOT of the efficiency comes from getting that sugar stirred into the sparge water.
     
  4. #4
    feinbera

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Apr 22, 2015
    Yeah, those are the broad strokes – there are, of course, details and caveats and ins and outs and what-have-yous involved in both processes, just about as far down the rabbit hole as you care to go, but that's the basic difference between the two.

    I recommend you do a couple partial-mash brews – beers where you've got some base malt in with your specialty grains, are trying to hit specific volumes and temperatures, convert sugars, etc., but are still getting most of your fermentables from extract. This was a wonderful step on my journey to all-grain, because it allowed me to get a feel for mashing without stressing out about ruining my beer, since the worst-case scenario of totally bungling the mash and not extracting any fermentable sugars would still leave me with a decent extract beer where the grains only contribute flavor and body.
     
  5. #5
    ImNoExpert

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Apr 22, 2015
    Also don't forget...

    Once you pick your favorite method, argue on the internet for its vast superiority over the other "heathen" method.
     
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  6. #6
    doug293cz

    BIABer, Beer Math Nerd, ePanel Designer, Pilot Staff Member  

    Posted Apr 22, 2015
    Or, get a life, and find something that really matters to argue about :D

    But, for the record, the right way is no-sparge BIAB :ban: :p

    Brew on :mug:
     
  7. #7
    Homercidal

    Licensed Sensual Massage Therapist.  

    Posted Apr 22, 2015
    Heathen! Your efficiency sucks!

    Everyone who brews 5 gallons or less and wants decent efficiency in a reasonable amount of time uses the coveted BATCH SPARGE method!

    :p
     
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    Natdavis777

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Apr 22, 2015
    What do you use? Because whatever it is, I do the opposite which is better. Unless you fly sparge, which is my method. Then we would be in agreement, which completely contradicts this post. So you can fly sparge, and must do the inferior batch sparge. But I enjoy both, since Ive done both. So now I am confused. I need some beer. :tank:
     
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  9. #9
    ImNoExpert

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Apr 22, 2015
    I batch sparge my second runnings using the fly sparge method. That, along with my special water chemistry is how I get 99% efficiency. It's all very obscure and I'm sure you've never heard about it.
     
  10. #10
    Natdavis777

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Apr 22, 2015
    Only 99%?!?! If you just stuck to fly, you'd easily be @ 100%, maybe 105%.
     
  11. #11
    LLBrewer

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Apr 23, 2015
    No method is a "heathen" method but one is objectively easier. The easier method does come at a "theoretical" cost to efficiency though. Both methods can produce world class or garbage beer.
     
  12. #12
    RichH

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Apr 23, 2015
    What is this "sparge" thing you speak of? :cross:
     
  13. #13
    Natdavis777

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Apr 23, 2015
    Its a mythical unicorn.
     
  14. #14
    LLBrewer

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Apr 23, 2015
    Touche
     
  15. #15
    doug293cz

    BIABer, Beer Math Nerd, ePanel Designer, Pilot Staff Member  

    Posted Apr 23, 2015
    Any well executed sparge, or no-sparge, method can beat a poorly executed method for efficiency, no matter what theory says.

    Brew on :mug:
     
  16. #16
    dwhite60

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Apr 24, 2015
    Been batch sparging since I started all grain in..................... oh.............
    let's see...................19...............19..........1990. Yep that's it. It's always
    worked for me very well.

    I'm a minimalist when it comes to brewing. I'm using a lot of the same gear,
    except for hoses, I started with. Fly sparging just sounds like more
    stuff to have and maintain.

    All the Best,
    D. White
     
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