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Fermentation Chamber Build

Discussion in 'Fermenters' started by Eigenbrau, Nov 23, 2010.

 

  1. #1
    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 23, 2010
    My chamber is just about finished, it just needs the top on. I wanted to snap some photos of it before I closed her up to get some feedback from you guys. Credit goes to TwoHeadsBrewing and jboehle for the inspiration and material ideas. I swear my garage isn't usually this messy, but projects like this leave little time for cleanup, and Styrofoam is a disaster to work with.

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    Randar

    All your Ninkasi are belong to us  

    Posted Nov 23, 2010
    Looks pretty good. Tape up all your joints with tyvek or foil tape and you should be good to go. Like the tile in the bottom to add some thermal mass.
     
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    kpr121

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 23, 2010
    Nice job!

    I second what Randar said about taping all joints. I would also make sure you use silicone caulking to seal all the joints before taping. Especially on the floor. You'll be happy you did when you get your first unexpected blowoff or spill. If the openings are large than just use some spray foam.

    How many carboys/buckets can you fit in there?
     
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    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 23, 2010
    Wow, thanks for the heads up on the taping and caulking. I just finished taping all the joints where insulation meets wood, I'll take some more pics. I caulked all the wood joints before I laid down the insulation, so I'm pretty confident this thing will hold temp well. It'll do three carboys or 6 cornies should I start fermenting in those. I'll caulk and tape the floor when I get back home.
     
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    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 24, 2010
    She's finished! I caulked/taped all the joints like you guys said. On the first run, there were major temperature differences in parts of the chamber. The carboy closest to the condenser coils sat at around 50 while the thermostat read at 74. I installed a 4" 120V fan from Radio Shack to circulate the air. It is wired into the Johnson controller and comes on when the fridge does. So far, so good. The temps are coming down and staying even within the chamber. Now it's just a matter of keeping an eye on things and making sure it holds temp well after it drops to its set point.

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    Randar

    All your Ninkasi are belong to us  

    Posted Nov 24, 2010
    Probably want to keep that fan on 100% of the time. It will make the temp in the chamber more consistent (otherwise it will stratify) and will provide heat transfer between air and carboys so they are more uniform.
     
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    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 24, 2010
    Huh, alright. Good point. I'll go rewire it real quick.

    Edit: Given its proximity to the condenser coils inside, another benefit to having it on constantly would be that it is still pulling air across the condenser and sending it through the chamber, keeping the temperature down longer. Good heads up, it's been rewired.
     
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    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 25, 2010
    The results couldn't be better. With a set point of 65 degrees, a differential range of 5 degrees, and an ambient temperature of 85 degrees, the cycle times are pretty damn good. The compressor stays off for 19:36 and comes on for 12:14. I'm not sure what the standards are, but this seems very acceptable to me.
     
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    specialkaye

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 25, 2010
    Good job. I'm down in SW Florida and I'm very interested in making a fermentation chamber myself.
     
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    kmat123

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 25, 2010
    A 5 degree differential kind of defeats the purpose of a fermentation chamber IMHO since the fermentation temps can range anywhere from 60-70 degrees. I can easy achieve that in my house. I would recommend decreasing your differential to +/- 2 degrees to more closely control fermentation temps.

    Otherwise great build. I may have to use my spare mini fridge for something similar.
     
  11. #11
    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 25, 2010
    I'm in Florida, there's no such thing as 60-70 degrees in the house without pulling in a $400 electric bill. The purpose of the chamber was to maintain 65-70 degree temps, even in an 85 degree garage. Plus, it keeps the carboys out of the kitchen and the wife happy. I understand that many build them just to maintain tighter temperature control, but my purpose lies on maintaining proper temperature at all.
     
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    tigmaster

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 25, 2010
    looks good
     
  13. #13
    munklunk

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    Posted Nov 25, 2010
    Um, this is extremely nerdy and in poor taste, but what up Reddit! (I saw you post this on reddit earlier. Good to see brewing folks on multiple good sites.)
     
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    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 25, 2010
    I'd hardly call it in poor taste! I'm all about getting traffic to both sites. Good to see other Redditors on here :D
     
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    specialkaye

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 25, 2010
    Amen to that! We usually keep the house temp at 78f in the summer. And, even then, that damn AC runs a LOT. I've got a west facing garage now. It'll easily hit 100f in the summer. Guess that's really not too bad, that's about what the air temp is but that's where I brew and bottle. So, for us, a fermentation chamber is just a way to get summer time basement temperatures enjoyed by the rest of the country.
     
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    kmat123

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 25, 2010
    Gotcha. I'm used to living the the Northwest with mild temps and very cheap electricity.
     
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    specialkaye

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 26, 2010
    I might be heading back out there, to the microbrew capital of the world, I think. If not microbrews, then coffee certainly. I used to live up there, and we're really missing it. I'm not sure if I'd need a chamber out there, or not. Have to see what it's like when we get there. Could be quite while yet.
     
  18. #18
    PJM

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 26, 2010
    Great build. I've been thinking about building a fermentation chamber myself and very much like your design. You mentioned a fan. Where exactly did you place it within the chamber? Also, what make and model temp control device did you use? I have been looking at the Ranco and Johnson digital controllers. Is there any advantage to one over the other? Thanks.
     
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    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 26, 2010
    The fan is at the bottom of the fridge sitting on the compressor hump with about 4" of space behind it. I liked this position because it will be pulling air over the condenser coils and pushing cold air through the chamber even when the compressor is shut off.

    I use a Johnson A419 for all my applications, but for no other reason than I'm familiar with them. I've heard great things about the Rancos, but I think someone else who is more familiar with them might be able to give you better feedback. I'll post some pictures of the fan placement here in a bit.
     
  20. #20
    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 26, 2010
    Here's a photo of the fan placement.

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    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 28, 2010
    And here it is stained and complete with a new name thanks to DenialGene from Reddit:

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    specialkaye

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 29, 2010
    Totally sweet. And the chamber looks good too.
     
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    Argus79

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 29, 2010
    Looks really good. I'm working on a fermentation chamber build too. Do you think the amount of insulation you used will be enough? I know a garage in FL can get pretty hot in the summer. I was thinking of using regular fiberglass insulation covered with styrofoam. Do you think that might be overkill? My garage fluctuates pretty wildly in temperature throughout the year.
     
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    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Nov 30, 2010
    I guess I won't know until Summer rolls around next year. Temps have been sitting at 60-70 degrees (ambient) the past month or so, so it's hard to tell if it'll hold up in the heat. I got the insulation idea from some other guys on HBT, and their's have worked thus far, so I hold high hopes for it.
     
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    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 8, 2010
    I thought you guys might enjoy the new sign.

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    PJM

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 8, 2010
    Looks great. Love the sign. Thanks for the picture of the fan. Really helps a lot.
     
  27. #27
    IrregularPulse

    Hobby Collector  

    Posted Dec 8, 2010
    Love the sign. I'll be making one of these probably in the spring. Buying a wine fridge for the new bar build and am claiming the current mini fridge for a ferm chamber for the garage.
     
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    geelee

    Member

    Posted Dec 8, 2010
    Now you can do some lagers if it will go down to 45-55
     
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    Xakk

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 8, 2010
    Looks good. Mine is very similar, but I put a counter on top so I could have a place to work off of. And so it looked enough like a piece of furniture that SWMBO wouldn't mind it being in the house as much. :)

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    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 8, 2010
    Oh wow, I love the counter. Looks a lot better than the regular old stained plywood top I've got. As far as lagering, I've got a chest freezer for that. There's just not enough coil surface area to bring that down to lagering temps without seriously compromising the compressor. It's great for 10-20 degrees below room temp though ;)
     
  31. #31
    Xakk

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 9, 2010
    I'll take mine down to 39ish when I cold crash, but it takes a couple of days to get that low and I don't leave it there for more than another few days. But I will say I've got 2 inches of rigid foam all around in there, all the seams are caulked and taped up and a gasket around the door, so once it cools off it stays cold. It does not, however, work well for chilling hot wort. The last time I tried taking a carboy from 90 down to the 65 range it too damned near 8 hours.
     
  32. #32
    drkeds

    Active Member

    Posted Dec 16, 2010
    AngryMage,

    Loved the project! Gives me ideas for the mini-fridge my son just returned since he's almost done with college. Question though, how did you get the freezer tray to bend without crimping any of the coolant tubes?
     
  33. #33
    Eigenbrau

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 17, 2010
    To put it easiest, I did it very carefully. This particular fridge was pretty compliant when it came to that. The freezer compartment was bolted to the top, so it was just a matter of unscrewing it, carefully bending the compressor pipes down, and bolting it to the back of the fridge.
     
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    NattyBrew

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Dec 18, 2010
    Angry Mage, great build! This looks just like mine! One suggestion I might make for your fan would be to do something similar to what I did. Grab an extra piece of the rigid foam and make a mount which will hold the fan right in front of the cooling coil. It will get your fan up off the floor which should provide a little better air circulation as well as give you a little space on the ledge where it's currently sitting. Check out my pics below.

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    biggie

    Member

    Posted Jan 4, 2011
    Very nice!! I thought about doing the same thing...:ban::ban:
     
  36. #36
    Calico Jack

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 17, 2011
    Nice work.
    Is your fridge contained within the chamber or do you have the compressor open to allow airflow?
     
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    Xakk

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 17, 2011
    It's inside the box. The fridge is an old style with the cooling coils on the back, so I didn't have to worry about heat build up.
     
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    Calico Jack

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 17, 2011
    Nice. That would be ideal of course. Looking to do this and put together my keezer before Spring gets here. I will unfortunately need my compressor to be open.
     
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