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dump it?

Discussion in 'Cider Forum' started by JohnnyBeerbottles, Mar 1, 2012.

 

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    JohnnyBeerbottles

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    Just tasted a 1 gallon cider that is 9 days along fg .999. Used lalvin rc 212. There is no hint of alcohol and it tastes flat and blah. Racked to secondary added 1 cup of concord grape juice. Anyone think this will improve or should it go down the drain? Its my first cider so i wont be bummed if its gotta go.
     
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    drkaeppel

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 1, 2012
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    JohnnyBeerbottles

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    You think bottle it soon?
    Flat, I really meant no depth of flavor or anything just blah.
     
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    drkaeppel

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    Ah, gotcha.

    Perhaps add some Apple Juice concentrate? That should both bump the ABV and flavor by a quite a bit.

    If it were me, I wouldn't bottle until its sat in the fermentor for at least 2-3 weeks. Itll help things settle and flavors will round out a bit.
     
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    DWavs

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    What was your SG? That along with your FG will tell you the alcohol content. :confused:
     
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    TyTanium

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    Have the yeast even dropped out yet? Mine usually stick around for a month or two...then they start dropping and it's crystal clear in a matter of hours.

    Time is your friend. Unless you need the space, no extra cost to letting it sit for 3, 6, 12 months and seeing what happens.
     
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    NineMilBill

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    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    Probably the most significant question posed on this thread yet
     
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    JohnnyBeerbottles

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    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    It was 1.049. I had 1 cup of dried currants also in the primary.
     
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    NineMilBill

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    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    I've never had a SG that low - I'm usually in the 1.060-1.075ish range. I believe your yeast still has a lot of life left in it. Adding additional fermentable sweeteners, bottling & pasteurizing after 4-5 days will probably produce a tasty cider in a couple of months. Whatever you do, don't dump it.

    Edit: Changed order.
     
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    johnsnownw

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    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    Personally, I think the most damage you did was to add grape juice. I mean, if you don't care what it turns out as, grape juice is fine. However, if you had a preconceived notion of what your cider was to taste like...you just ruined it.

    The problem most people make, with regard to cider, is that they don't have patience...cider and patience go together like Republicans and homophobia.
     
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    Dicky

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    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    If your OG was 1.049 and is now 0.999 then you definitely have alcohol. That part is clear. In regard to it being a low SG, I disagree, many good ciders don't exceed 5% ABV.

    As for the flavour. What was your recipe? Were you using pure apple juice? The grape juice will alter the flavour, but you might like it, who knows. The best thing to do is rack it to a secondary and leave it to finish fermenting the sugars in the grape juice and start clearing. Flavours will start to come out in the cider after a few months.

    Dicky
     
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    divi2323

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    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    Hahahaha! Ain't that the truth!
     
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    JohnnyBeerbottles

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    Not gonna touch it!

    1 gallon apple juice
    3/4 cup dried currants (zante grapes)
    Lalvin 212
    1tsp nutrient
    1/2 tsp energizer
    Steeped currants in 1 cup water @ 195-204 for 10 minutes, cooled and dumped into carboy.
    Had first bubbling within an hour.

    Why I added grape juice into secondary lord only knows! New to making cider and it was just sitting there taunting me I guess.
     
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    JohnnyBeerbottles

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    So I did a new 3 gallon cider yesterday.

    2 1/2 gallons of cider from 3 different sources.
    32 ounces of tart cherry juice
    Wyeast 3068
    2 tsp nutrient 1/2 tsp energizer
    Yes and shaken like hell was on my doorstep. Before yeast! @72 degrees when pitched and 1.050 sg

    Sound right? How long should or could this stay in primary? Thanks for all your input.
     
  15. #15
    Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    One thing to keep in mind that cider will finish under 1.000, which tastes tart. The "apply" flavor will come back. I think some of the best ciders are a lower OG cider anyway- and start with simply good cider that has yeast added to it. Anything that is even tarter (concord grape juice or cherry juice) takes away from the cider and makes it tart and biting. Fermented cherry juice usually tastes like cough syrup for a long long time.

    Anyway, patience is key.

    Leave it in primary until fermentation slows down/stops, and then rack to secondary and top up. Leave it alone until it's clear. Rack if if the lees get really thick after about 60 days.
     
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    TyTanium

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    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    Not a mistake. An experiment. That's the joy of homebrewing. If it doesn't work out, you're out a few bucks and try something else. I am 100% for giving into the taunting :mug:
     
  17. #17
    JohnnyBeerbottles

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    Posted Mar 1, 2012
    Thanks guys, this exactly why we are all here.
     
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