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Dealing with a fuse panel for induction

Discussion in 'Electric Brewing' started by calebgk, Jan 30, 2015.

 

  1. #1
    calebgk

    Wishy-washy

    Posted Jan 30, 2015
    I'm looking at getting the ic3500 induction plate, and want to sort out my infrastructure.

    I've got a dryer plug that is not used as my dryer is gas.. 4-prong with 3/10 running to it. But my house has a fuse panel instead of a breaker panel. There are a pair of 35 amp fuses on the dryer circuit.

    What would you advise I do here? Add a spa panel for a breaker? GFCI? Just build an adapter plug?
     
  2. #2
    P-J

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Jan 30, 2015
    Setup a dryer plug that feeds the input side of a GFCI spa panel. Once that is completed, you will be good to go in developing the rest of your brewery .

    I hope this makes sense. If I can help some more, just ask.

    Wishing you the best.
    P-J
     
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  3. #3
    calebgk

    Wishy-washy

    Posted Jan 30, 2015
    Thanks for the feedback. I'll probably source the spa panel first and move ahead from there. THANKS!
     
  4. #4
    P-J

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Jan 31, 2015
    You might want to source the SPA Panel here:

    GE 50A 240V Spa Panel GFCI

    At $70 bucks (+/-) it is not a bad deal and is commonly used by members here.

    Just saying. (It is the one I reference in my wiring plans - BTW)

    Hopes this helps.

    P-J
     
  5. #5
    AfroHopster

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 8, 2015
    no need for the spa panel just come off the dryer outlet thats what i did.
     
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  6. #6
    lschiavo

    This space for rent.  

    Posted Feb 8, 2015
    You won't have GFCI protection that way. Is it necessary with an induction plate? Never used or wired one. I know it is not with an electric range.
     
  7. #7
    IslandLizard

    Progressive Brewing Staff Member  

    Posted Feb 8, 2015
    +1^

    For the IC3500 or any other induction plate you won't need GFCI, unless you intend to flood it regularly. The unit is self contained. 35A on buss fuses is plenty, the IC3500 only pulls about 15A. You can have 2 of them...

    The easiest may be to plug an extension into the dryer outlet, or replace the dryer socket with a 6-20R. For the latter, you'll probably need a work box and graft onto an aluminum wire. My old house had the same setup. the 6-20R only accepts up to 10ga wire.
     
  8. #8
    lschiavo

    This space for rent.  

    Posted Feb 8, 2015
    I agree. Check the max circuit requirements of the plate and make sure it is not overfused. That is as easy as changing fuses in your panel but you may need reducers to get down under 30A.
     
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    AfroHopster

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 8, 2015
    here is what I did
     
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    AfroHopster

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 8, 2015
  11. #11
    jeffmeh

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 8, 2015
    Shouldn't 10awg be protected by a 30a fuse/breaker?
     
  12. #12
    IslandLizard

    Progressive Brewing Staff Member  

    Posted Feb 8, 2015
    Yes. What's even more worrisome is how that dryer plug seems to feed the system. It must have live prongs!

    Nice kettle though!
     
  13. #13
    lschiavo

    This space for rent.  

    Posted Feb 8, 2015
    Of course it should.

    It does appear that way. if so, that is very dangerous and careless.
     
  14. #14
    AfroHopster

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 9, 2015
    It actually might be a 30 amp I will check when I get home. but why is that dangerous?
     
  15. #15
    lschiavo

    This space for rent.  

    Posted Feb 9, 2015
    If the male prongs of the cord can be hot. I cannot exactly tell by the picture.
     
  16. #16
    AfroHopster

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 9, 2015
    all we did was move the dryer plug down and splice inside the Junction box to add the two 10/3 wires and made two 6/20r plugs.

    what male prongs being hot? I'm not understanding, I have used it once no problems or cords heating up.
     
  17. #17
    jeffmeh

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 9, 2015
    OK. The question here is regarding the terminations of your cords. From the outlet you obviously have a male pronged plug to plug-in. What is on the other end of that cord, a male or female? In no case should you ever have a male pronged end that can be live (on the load end of the cord, rather than on the line end that is either hard wired or plugged into an outlet). If you really have wired it to have a live male cord end, that is a serious safety issue, and you should fix that before powering up again.

    And yes, if you have 10awg wire, you should have a 30a breaker or fuse, to protect the wire. With a 40a breaker, the wire could overheat and catch fire before the breaker trips. Perhaps not likely, but not wise nevertheless.
     
  18. #18
    IslandLizard

    Progressive Brewing Staff Member  

    Posted Feb 9, 2015
    +1 ^

    To AfroHopster:
    We're trying to keep you alive and from making unintended mistakes. No hard feelings. It's not clear from the pix what feeds the black dryer socket. Is it the grey dryer cord and plug that's plugged into it?

    In the other picture, those wires should not be hanging loose and allowed to touch your (hot) kettles. Solid core wires are not to be used as "extension cords."
     
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  19. #19
    AfroHopster

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 9, 2015
    Ok well none of the male plugs are hot, they all plug into hots. In this picture it probably shows that a little better the white or tan wire is the main wire from the main panel. The orange wire then goes down and then extends to make the dryer plug then in the junction box I have two wires coming out and going to the induction cooktops. And I must thank everyone for all the help I rather be safe and do it again than make any mistakes.
     
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    AfroHopster

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 9, 2015
    pix
     
  21. #21
    AfroHopster

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 9, 2015
  22. #22
    jeffmeh

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Feb 9, 2015
    Glad to hear no live male plugs!
     
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