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Control Panel Schematics

Discussion in 'Electric Brewing' started by yo1dog, Jun 27, 2014.

 

  1. #1
    yo1dog

    Member

    Posted Jun 27, 2014
    http://awesomebox.net/share/Control-Panel-2.pdf

    I wrote up some schematics based on some of PJ's diagrams. I am far from an electrical engineer so if you guys could double check my work I would appreciate it.
    It is for a 120v system with a single pump and heating element.
    PJ called for a 4A fuse to the pump socket. I went with 3A because Grainger didn't seem to have 4A fuses. I don't know if this is significant or not.

    EDIT: Added relays for switches.

    Here is the part list again with clickable links:
    S1: Main Power Switch
    15A 250V - Double Pole Single Throw Rocker Switch
    http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=272

    S2: Heating Element Power Switch
    S3: Pump Power Switch
    10A 120/240V - Illuminated Maintained Pushbutton Switch, 2 NO
    http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=223

    S4: Buzzer Power Switch
    20A 125V - Toggle Switch, SPST, 2 Conn., Maint. On/Off
    http://www.grainger.com/product/POWER-FIRST-Toggle-Switch-2VLN5

    S5, S6: 1A Fuse
    1A 250V Quick Blow - Fuse
    http://www.grainger.com/product/BUSSMANN-Fuse-4XH40

    S7: 3A Fuse
    3A 250V Quick Blow - Fuse
    http://www.grainger.com/product/BUSSMANN-Fuse-4XH44

    30A 300V Fuse Block
    http://www.grainger.com/product/BUSSMANN-Fuse-Block-1CZ43

    RY1, RY2, RY3: Switch Relay
    30A 120V - SPDT Relay
    http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=250

    RY4: Heating Element SSR
    40A 3-32VDC input, 90-480VAC output - SSR
    http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=30

    Heat Sink:
    40A Heat Sink for SSR
    http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=77

    Buzzer:
    110-120VAC - Flashing Buzzer
    http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=215

    PID:
    1/16 DIN PID Temperature Controller (SSR control output)
    http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3

    Power Inlet:
    5A 125V - Leviton 5239 NEMA L5-15R Socket
    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00004YUKT/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20

    Pump Socket:
    15A 120V - Leviton NEMA 5-15R Socket
    http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=409

    Heating Element Socket:
    30A 240V - Leviton NEMA L6-30R Socket
    http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=410

    Heating Element Plug:
    30A 240V - Leviton NEMA L6-30P Plug
    http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=411

    Heating Element:
    240V - 5500 Watts - Water Heater Element, Extra Low Density, 240-5500-ELD
    http://www.plumbingsupply.com/elements.html

    Temperature Probe and Socket:
    RTD Sensor with braided cable and connector
    http://www.auberins.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=189

    Pump
    Chugger SS Inline
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CT62KR4/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20
     
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  2. #2
    dordelli

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 1, 2014
    I'm in the process of building a similar box and have purchased many of the same parts. I know nothing about electrical so please take my Qs with a grain of salt but why a DPST for the element switch, wouldn't it be better served for the pump switch where you can prevent the PiD from firing the element unless the pump is on?
     
  3. #3
    yo1dog

    Member

    Posted Jul 1, 2014
    I figured I would usually want the PID on for the temperature display, but I won't always want the heating element on. So I use the DPST to cut power to the SSR along with the heating element so the SSR wasn't unnecessarily switching and generating heat when the heating element isn't on. Is this a real concern? I guess I could just put it in manual mode...

    I don't want to directly couple the heating element and the pump. There are some cases where I may want to use the pump and heating elements separately (using the heating element in a HLT, using the pump in a counterflow chiller, etc.).

    I do see your point, though. If the element cannot be on without the pump, it will help prevent accidental scorching.
     
  4. #4
    jCOSbrew

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 1, 2014
    S2 wont work for Element Power, it is only rated for 10 amps.
    Look for a toggle switch that is rated for 20-30amps.

    Pump fuse (and wiring) will be determined by the pump power requirements.

    S1 might also be marginal.
     
  5. #5
    yo1dog

    Member

    Posted Jul 1, 2014
    Hmm, I didn't question S2 (pushbutton switches for heating element and pumps) because PJ uses them in his diagrams such as this one. They also seem to be used by Auber in their boxes.

    Do you have a suggestion for an alternative?

    I am using this Chugger pump: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CT62KR4/?tag=skimlinks_replacement-20

    Can you suggest a fuse for that pump?
     
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  6. #6
    dordelli

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 1, 2014
    My application is a RIMs system so definitely would not want the element to fire without the pump running but for your application might be ok. I was gonna question the switch ratings of the main power and element switch too, 15amps might be cutting it close. I went with 20 amp toggles and the round indicator lights just to be safe. Or u could use contactors, I avoided these to keep my wiring simple, but many wiring diagrams out there using these.
     
  7. #7
    P-J

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Jul 1, 2014
    S2 is controlling a contactor. No problem there.
     
  8. #8
    yo1dog

    Member

    Posted Jul 2, 2014
    Err, actually one pole of S2 (heating element switch) switches power to the heating element and the other pole switches power to the SSR. This enables and disables the heating element and the SSR together.


    I have updated my design and first post to use relays. Let me know if I did everything correctly. Thanks!
     
  9. #9
    jCOSbrew

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jul 2, 2014
    Updates will work but is probably overkill IMO:
    * You don't need a relay for the pump. The 10A switch can directly turn power on/off for the 3A pump.

    * The relay/contactor on the power input and the element will work but you could get away with a single contactor. For example, S1 could enable low current (pump and PID) and S2 + S1 could enable the element contactor.

    It is your design so customize as you see fit!
     
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