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Carbonation/head problem

Discussion in 'Beginners Beer Brewing Forum' started by kgrave61, Mar 30, 2011.

 

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    kgrave61

    Active Member

    Posted Mar 30, 2011
    I made a blueberry cream ale a while back using blueberry extract from my LHBS. I used the amount of priming sugar that was recommended in the kit directions (4oz) for a 5 gal. batch and cracked one open the other day after almost 3 weeks in bottles. Poured one in a glass and there was about a half inch of actual beer and the rest foam. Had a couple other people do it to and same results. Any idea why this might be?? It's like someone shook them all up and tried pouring them.
     
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    eastoak

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    Posted Mar 30, 2011
    was the extract also sugary? might have too much sugar in the bottles.
     
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    MaynardX

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    Posted Mar 30, 2011
    Did you refrigerate them first? Did you take gravity readings before you bottled?
     
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    Golddiggie

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    Posted Mar 30, 2011
    +1

    You need to chill the brew once it's been carbonating for 3+ weeks... Chill one for 4-7 days before you pour it into a glass... Otherwise you'll get exactly as you just did...

    If you bottled it too early, you could have had bottle bombs, so I'm going to assume that at least fermentation was complete...
     
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    jonmohno

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    Posted Mar 30, 2011
    If you bottled too early it could have finished more in the bottle,if you dindt reach your final gravity.try an ice bath to chill them or let them sit over 3 days to drink.
     
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    kgrave61

    Active Member

    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    I didn't check gravity but it sat in primary 4 weeks. bottles in 3 weeks. They were only in the fridge for about 36 hours so I'm assuming that was the problem
     
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    Golddiggie

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    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    Try chilling one down for 4-7 days and see how it is...
     
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    jonmohno

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    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    Maybe but if is persistant and you start getting gushers it could be an infection.If you cleaned well and sanitized and didnt have it exposed to air very long that shouldnt be the case.It should have finished by 3 weeks, if reg gravity, i would rule that out.
    Are you pouring the yeast in at the bottem also?This may cause more foam.
     
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    kgrave61

    Active Member

    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    I know it wasn't infected. Everything is always sanitized properly and well sealed and also checked regularly. I think it just might have been a sugary kit and not letting it refrigerate properly probably caused it. I will be checking them again Friday since I am at school and have to go back home to check everything. I have a buddy who runs the operation while I'm away.
     
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    camus

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    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    Well you either bottled to early, from your description less likely, or you have an infection IMO.
     
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    kgrave61

    Active Member

    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    Either way it tastes absolutely delicious so I'm not overly concerned at the moment. But thanks for the helpful answers. :mug:
     
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    kgrave61

    Active Member

    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    I finally got a hydrometer so from here on out I will be able to take readings which should make a huge difference rather than guessing
     
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    Golddiggie

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    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    Chances are, after a solid month on the yeast, fermentation was completed. Since it's not showing any other signs of infection, I think it's more likely that it just wasn't chilled down enough when poured. A simple test of letting it sit in the fridge for close to a week should shed more light on it...

    BTW, I've had brews that would foam like bastards when too warm. Chill them down and the head was in line with how it should have been... I actually have two bottles of one of those batches that I should chill and drink... If nothing else, I could use those bottles... :D
     
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    kgrave61

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    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    Yeah I might as well just throw them in the fridge for a week and let them do their thing. Just have to start drinking the other 100 bottles of homebrew sitting around while I wait. I think I can handle that
     
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    Golddiggie

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    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    So you have 100 other bottles of home brew to enjoy and you're opening up this batch prematurely?? :facepalm:
     
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    camus

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    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    Well I think I said from his description bottling early was less likely the cause.

    If you dig gushers, more power to you, if the refrigeration helps, great.

    I am just saying if you have multiple bottles that foam completely to glass leaving an inch of beer you might have issue.
     
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    camus

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    Posted Mar 31, 2011

    Chill them and keep them cold, glad it tastes good. :mug:
     
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    wedge421

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    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    Yep if they are all like that most likely some kind of infection. The taste may not rear its head for a while though.
     
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    kgrave61

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    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    hahaha guilty as charged

    Yeah I guess only time will tell. Might as well try to enjoy before that's the case
     
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    Doghouse-gav

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    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    Been reading this thread and the general advise is to wack them in the fridge. My question is at what temp? I was told to keep vert at around 12 degrees c! Was I told wrong? Should they be colder ?

    Sent from my iPhone using HB Talk
     
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    gleytch

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    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    Understanding that I am a new brewer and not questioning your answer, just trying to learn - what is the point of 4-7 days vs. reaching the terminal temperature?

    To put it another way: say I have a fully fermented, fully carbonated, and fully conditioned beer that I put in a fridge and it is at 38 degrees after 24 hours, and another that is at the exact same temperature for 7 days - what is the difference?

    Why not 17 days or 29 days? What happens to bottled beer that is already "ready", between days 3 and 8 that makes it better than one that is in the fridge for more than the time required to reach terminal temperature and less than 4 days?

    Again, new brewer here, just trying to learn...
     
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    Golddiggie

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    Posted Mar 31, 2011
    I've found that a brew needs more than just 24 hours for the CO2 to go fully into the brew (when bottled at least)... The additional time allows it to get better into solution, giving less excess head/foam. It also helps the sediment to compact in the bottom of the bottles, so that the brew pours cleared/cleaner.

    I've let brews go longer than 7 days in the fridge. I would say that 4-7 is a good start for testing a batch. If it's still not right after 4, give it more time in the fridge... So, once a brew has carbonated for 3 weeks, I chill one down at least 4 days. I try it. If it's good, then I know that 4 days is the minimum amount of time to chill that batch. If it's not right, then I put a couple more in and start testing at day 5, day 6, day 7, etc. until I hit a good time frame.

    Since each batch you brew can be different, even if you're rebrewing it, it's better to do the testing of carbonation for each batch, IMO...

    It's all part of the learning curve too.
     
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    gleytch

    Active Member

    Posted Apr 1, 2011
    Excellent answer - I went almost straight into kegging and force carbing, and I know that it takes time and cold temps to get decent carbonation in the beer. I also know that co2 comes out of solution and goes into the head space when it warms up. What I didn't consider was the same effect on a smaller scale with a bottle. Chilling for several days makes sense now.

    Thanks for your answer!
     
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    jonmohno

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    Posted Apr 1, 2011
    Ive had a good beer at 5 days carbed, 15 min ice bath. Waiting is a good idea though, but do what works for you and dont be disapointed if you dont like it before 3 weeks-it will just get better and refrigerating it longer is always a good idea if you can wait.
     
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