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Caramel Apple Hard Cider

Discussion in 'Cider Forum' started by UpstateMike, Jan 8, 2012.

 

  1. #41
    UpstateMike

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Mar 25, 2012
    Sediment will happen when bottle carbing. It is some of the yeast as well, but no worry, it won't kill anyone. If you want, you can swirl around before pouring, but that might make it slightly cloudy. Wait about a month before drinking, and serve chilled, like from the fridge.
     
  2. #42
    fbangie

    Active Member

    Posted Apr 3, 2012
    Here's an update on my latest batch. I checked SG last Thursday, it was almost there at 1.014. Went ahead and racked to the secondary. It was still somewhat cloudy. Checked
    SG on Sunday at it was down to 1.006 so decided to bottle. Tasted pretty good before back sweetening. Half of the batch went into 750ml wine bottles for still cider and the other half went into beer bottles to carb up. Stove top pasteurized the wine bottles. I'll check one of the beer bottles at 4 days for carb level. Pretty tasty stuff. Goes down very easy. This stuff might get me in trouble....might not want to share with the wife.
    Again thanks USMike for sharing the recipe.
     
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  3. #43
    UpstateMike

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Apr 3, 2012
    If you think it tastes good now, try it again in a month and let me know what you think. :mug:
     
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  4. #44
    fbangie

    Active Member

    Posted Apr 4, 2012
    Will do...I think I'll start another batch in the mean time. I'm thinking I'll change one thing. I'll use an ale yeast and be patient with fermentation.
     
  5. #45
    fbangie

    Active Member

    Posted Apr 6, 2012
    Update...popped open a bottle of the carb'd version tonight the carb level is perfect so I'll pasteurize. If anyone is looking for a good cider recipe I highly recommend this one. Folks this stuff is absolutely awesome. USMike you have a superb recipe. I poured this first carb'd bottle over a couple ice cubes and HOLY POOP...and that's after just 4 days in the bottle. I wanted to get the French Vanilla ice cream out. If I can wrangle it I'll be starting a second batch this weekend. Want to be able to repeat. Thanks again USMike.
     
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  6. #46
    ezbonzo01

    Active Member

    Posted Apr 6, 2012
    That sounds like a great recipe. Im going to give it a shot this weekend. Ive never made cider or beer before so this will be my first go around with carbonation. Ive done a few fruit wines on my own, a really good raspberry mead, and a couple wine kits. I really want to brew and bottle a good carbonated beverage. But im a little intimidated by the whole process, bottle bombs etc. Ive read this thread probably 20 times, as well as the home pasturization method, also located in the forum. Wish me luck, any tips, or experience tricks would certainly be appreciated.
     
  7. #47
    SirElven

    Member

    Posted Apr 6, 2012
    You only ferment this for 24 hours before you bottle? Or am I very confused by this?
     
  8. #48
    UpstateMike

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Apr 6, 2012
    Let it ferment to approx a SG of 1.015, then rack to a secondary carboy to clear for 24 hours, then bottle.
     
  9. #49
    SirElven

    Member

    Posted Apr 6, 2012
    Never mind sorry
     
  10. #50
    fbangie

    Active Member

    Posted Apr 12, 2012
    ezbonzo01, How you doing on your first batch? Took a few bottles of both carbed and still to the family Easter get together and it went over big. The consensus was in favor of the still version. Getting a delayed start on my second batch. Will start this weekend keeping everything the same except I'll use Nottingham Ale dry yeast instead of wine yeast.
     
  11. #51
    SirElven

    Member

    Posted Apr 13, 2012
    Starting my first batch this Sunday and I can't wait! I was thinking about not carbonating and putting it in nice wine bottles for Christmas presents.
     
  12. #52
    UpstateMike

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Apr 13, 2012
    You might want to consider doing that to your 4th or 5th batch, this will not last until Christmas. Not because it will go bad, but because you will drink it all long before then. :D
     
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  13. #53
    ezbonzo01

    Active Member

    Posted Apr 13, 2012
    I didn't end up starting it yet. Im leaving for vacation tuesday, i was afraid i wouldn't have time to complete it before i left. Im going to get on it a soon as i return!
     
  14. #54
    SirElven

    Member

    Posted Apr 14, 2012
    Nice! I hope it's that good! Thanks
     
  15. #55
    r0b0t

    Member

    Posted Apr 16, 2012
    I just made a batch of this last night and it is my first time making cider. This morning I saw a decent layer of light sediment at the bottom of my carboy, but no airlock activity or visible signs of fermentation. Is it possible the dextrose has settled overnight? I am using Nottingham and ambient temps are around 55-60F.

    Mostly I am just wondering if it would be a bad idea to give it a good stir tonight (24 hours since pitching the yeast).
     
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  16. #56
    fbangie

    Active Member

    Posted Apr 17, 2012
    Try getting it in a warmer place. If I remember Notties recommended fermentation temp range is 57F-70F. Try to get it between 60F-65F at least. I started another batch this past weekend and pitched Nottie this time around. It started up within half hour. By the next morning the air lock was burping every 3 or so seconds. Mine is right around 72F. I'm on the high end of the temp range. I might be a few degrees too warm. If you can't get the temp up a few degrees let it go. It'll be slow but it'll eventually do it's thing.

    Here's the link to Danstars Nottingham page. At the bottom is a link to a PDF spec sheet for Nottingham.
    http://www.danstaryeast.com/products/nottingham-ale-yeast
     
  17. #57
    r0b0t

    Member

    Posted Apr 17, 2012
    Yesterday when I got home I saw the layer of sediment at the bottom of the carboy is almost fully dissolved, and there is a nice layer of foam and visible air lock action. Thanks for the advice regarding temperature, I can slap a brew belt on the carboy to hit the mid-60s.
     
  18. #58
    pwortiz

    Strong Hand Brewing Co.  

    Posted May 1, 2012
    Stupid question/brain fart (or total malfunction)....WTF is dextrose?! I type it in to all the vendors and NOTHING comes up? I was hoping to buy it and get this moving? I keep reading lots of stuff on Google but it's all about what dextrose does vs where the devil I can buy it and what it would be called on a vendor's site.

    I apologize for the probably less than intelligent question.
     
  19. #59
    neovox

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted May 1, 2012
  20. #60
    pwortiz

    Strong Hand Brewing Co.  

    Posted May 2, 2012
    :drunk: where's the little emoticon where the dude is shootin' himself in the face....holy. crap.

    my ONLY redemption - and it's a stretch - is that the vendors didn't call it that so I was searching....yeah, i get no excuse. thank you for taking pity on me.
     
  21. #61
    Charlieatthedisco

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 2, 2012
    This might be a dumb question but can you keg cider?
     
  22. #62
    pwortiz

    Strong Hand Brewing Co.  

    Posted May 2, 2012
    Don't see why you couldn't....Strongbow does it. I do wonder if there's an issue with the back-sweetening done with this particular recipe though as you're giving the yeasties lots more sugar to eat at bottling and the plan is to pastuerize....
     
  23. #63
    fbangie

    Active Member

    Posted May 2, 2012
    Absolutely you can keg if you want. There's sulfides you can get to kill the yeast prior to kegging.
     
  24. #64
    roadymi

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 2, 2012
    If you want to keg and maintain sweetness I would do the following:

    Before backsweetening cold crash if possible (refrigerate for 24-48 hrs) This will get a lot of the yeast to settle out.

    Add 1 crushed campden tablet and 1/2 tsp Sorbate / gallon as you are adding the backsweetening sugars.

    Transfer to keg, if you can keep it cool it will be more likely not to restart fermentation.
     
  25. #65
    Charlieatthedisco

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 3, 2012
    Is the back sweetening when adding the frozen concentrate?
     
  26. #66
    roadymi

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 3, 2012
    yes and the caramel syrup
     
  27. #67
    Charlieatthedisco

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 3, 2012
    Pasteurization not necessary then?
     
  28. #68
    roadymi

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 3, 2012
    Not if you cold crash and treat with campden and sorbate.

    The keg would stand the pressure.....the reason you are treating the yeast is to preserve your sweetness.
     
  29. #69
    Charlieatthedisco

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 3, 2012
    Awesome! Going to get this going this weekend. Also going to keg it, I'll let you all know how that goes!
     
  30. #70
    Charlieatthedisco

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 3, 2012
    Would Sanitizing the carboys with star San cause off flavors in the juice?
     
  31. #71
    UpstateMike

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 4, 2012
    Not that I've noticed. I also Star San my beer bottles just before filling.
     
  32. #72
    Qweegee

    Member

    Posted May 4, 2012
    I have a dumb question... Do you physically stir up the cider once it's in the bottling bucket and the caramel concentrate mixture has been added? Or will just dumping it into the bucket and then siphoning on top of it be enough to get an even mixing without aerating so much?
     
  33. #73
    roadymi

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 4, 2012
    A gentle stir should not cause any oxidation. People degas wine all the time before bottling and that is way more aggressive than a gentle stir would be.
     
  34. #74
    jkoegel

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 4, 2012
    You definitely want to stir well. Just don't splash.
    You want to make sure the syrup is completely dissolved so all your bottles all have even amount of sugar. If your syrup is laying on the bottom of the bucket you will have some flat bottles and some over carbed ones.
     
  35. #75
    rocknhardcider

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 6, 2012
    Hey UpstateMike check my youtube channel RocknHardCider i sent a shout out towards ya!
     
  36. #76
    UpstateMike

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 6, 2012
    Awesome, please post the link here! :mug:
     
  37. #77
    rocknhardcider

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 6, 2012
    right at the end! And upstate ny?
     
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  38. #78
    UpstateMike

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 6, 2012
     
  39. #79
    rocknhardcider

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 6, 2012
    No prob
     
  40. #80
    JtotheA

    Well-Known Member

    Posted May 7, 2012
    Your caramel recipe bailed me out after I slacked on racking a "very similar primary" as in your recipe. I caught it a couple days too late and was drier than I'd normally let it go. But that's where Upstate Mike's Caramel Syrup turned things around! And yes, I had to bust out the calculator since I was only dealing with 2 gallons;) Thanks for the Caramel recipe that brought my stuff back to life in a big way!
     
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