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Can someone approve/kick me in the rear for this diagram?

Discussion in 'Electric Brewing' started by htc, Aug 22, 2014.

 

  1. #1
    htc

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Aug 22, 2014
    I'm not an electrician, and regard it as magic most of the time...

    I modified on of P-J's diagrams, I hope you don't mind PJ. Does this look like it will function?

    EDIT: DIAGRAM CHANGE PLEASE SEE POST #17
     
  2. #2
    Minbari

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Aug 22, 2014
    dont see anything glaring. it should function as you want.

    cant tell from the drawing but I assume you are using a standard SSR for the HLT and the SSVR for the BK?
     
  3. #3
    htc

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Aug 22, 2014
    Correct. I didn't know how to label the SSVR, but the SSR (on left) shows the information as found in PJ's original.

    My biggest concern is the wiring of the SSVR. The diagram from Auberins looks like this. [​IMG]

    Did I pull that off correctly for 220V?
     
  4. #4
    theashman661

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Aug 22, 2014
    I cant really see the picture! Sized too small..
     
  5. #5
    Minbari

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Aug 22, 2014
    that is right. as long as the RED wire off "AC" is one 120vac leg and the black wire off "AC" is the other leg, it will get 240 vac.
     
  6. #6
    htc

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Aug 22, 2014
    Thank you!! I was fighting to get this thing resized. It opens up huge in MSPaint!
     
  7. #7
    dmosinee

    New Member

    Posted Aug 22, 2014
    Keep in mind that unlike a regular SSR which is controlled by a low voltage DC signal coming from the PID, SSVR control terminals carry the full voltage of the current side; 240 volts in this case. It's very low current, but still something to be aware of as you wire it up.

    This next bit I have no proof of or explanation for -- but in my experience building a couple of SSVR based element controllers, they seem to get hotter than their normal SSR counterparts do for the same element. If you have a giant Kal style heatsink it's not worth considering -- but in my builds at least I found that the "standard" SSR heatsink you see all over wasn't cutting the mustard on the SSVRs. After an hour of boiling I measured the heatsink temp at 160F -- which is well past what I'm comfortable with on these parts -- so I strapped a low speed 80mm computer fan to it and now it stays under 105F.

    Anyone else have similar experience with SSVRs ?
     
  8. #8
    Minbari

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Aug 22, 2014
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 23, 2018
  9. #9
    htc

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Aug 22, 2014
    Thanks for the heads up! I was debating on an oversized unit like Kal has, but now it's in the books!
     
  10. #10
    htc

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Aug 22, 2014
    Those are awesome Minbari, but how's it mount?
     
  11. #11
    Minbari

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Aug 22, 2014
    cut a round hole and use the 4 mount holes on the fan to mount it to your control panel.

    to mount the SSRs, either drill and tap the heatsink or drill and use a self tapping screw. (what I did) Make sure you dont forget the heatsink compound! it is important.

    [​IMG]
     
  12. #12
    htc

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Aug 23, 2014
    Can anyone explain why PJ's diagrams feature a fuse after the emergency shut off?
     
  13. #13
    dmosinee

    New Member

    Posted Aug 23, 2014
    Presumably because if your GFCI were to fail and leave the main circuit hot, it's better to have a fuse blow than for the small wires/parts associated with the e-stop to heat up and melt.
     
  14. #14
    icebob

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Aug 23, 2014
    Nvm!
     
  15. #15
    htc

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Aug 23, 2014
    I was just looking over my diagram and was thinking, if the fuse blows, that kinda negates the action of the shutoff switch. Unless the GFCI tripped before the fuse popped...

    Eh??
     
  16. #16
    icebob

    Supporting Member  

    Posted Aug 23, 2014
    was posting in the wrong thread... (nvm=nevermind), but yes the gfi should trip before the fuse blow...
     
  17. #17
    htc

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Aug 23, 2014
    Here's the new diagram, I added a keyed switch and "hot panel" light (for lack of a better name), added some illuminated switches after the element selector for visual confirmation and redundant control. Whaddya think? The keyed switch is my biggest concern now.

    Tried to make it bigger to... We'll see.

    [​IMG]
     
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