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brewing better beer

Discussion in 'Beginners Beer Brewing Forum' started by JLivermore, Oct 9, 2012.

 

  1. #1
    JLivermore

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    I've brewed 2 batches now, Brewer's Best red ale and English pale ale kits.

    They turned out good but not great.

    I'm not looking to make fancier or more exotic beer, just better quality basic beer.

    What's the best thing to focus on, or what helped you start making notably better beer? Filter water, temperature control, fermentation time, or anything else?
     
  2. #2
    menerdari

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    everything, what did you maybe not do right? fix that next time.
    my first 2 mistakes were boiling with the lid on (more critical with AG or partial mash rather than extract)
    and pitching temp could have been lower. I ferment at 65 to 67 deg. (beer temp not room temp) so that has not been an issue.
     
  3. #3
    Cacaman

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    Fresh hops, grains/extract, yeast... fresh ingredients overall
     
  4. #4
    sweed

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    I've been making my own recipes since my first. Take a look at the recipe database. Those recipes you can build/modify if you want. I heard Midwest, northern, and Austin make good kits.
     
  5. #5
    evrose

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    1. Fermentation temperature control.
    2. Fermentation temperature control.
    3. Fermentation temperature control.
    4. Switching from extract to BIAB.
     
  6. #6
    LoloMT7

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    Temperature control and pitching enough yeast and choice of yeast makes a world of difference!!!

    Boil with lid on ha and i thought i was the only one that did that :)
     
  7. #7
    jprice

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    I hate to complicate your question further, but what do you consider better? I would say the best thing would be to identify what exactly you are looking for in a beer. Would you prefer your beer to be more or less hoppy, drier, sweeter, darker,or lighter?
     
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    BrewinHooligan

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    Another vote for temp controll and pitching the proper amount of healthy yeast.
     
  9. #9
    borden

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    I would infer from the question that the O.P. would like to minimize things like off flavors or undesired flavors. That was always a challenge for me at the beginning.

    My three suggestions for things that could make a big impact:

    - Figure out a way to control fermentation temperature for the first few days. (Along with this, be sure not to pitch yeast when the wort is too warm.)

    - If using liquid yeasts, prepare a starter. Or just use good dry yeasts, rehydrated. Strains like Safale's S-04 and US-05 are fantastic for many recipes and have enough cells where you shouldn't risk underpitching on most recipes.

    - Give the beer enough time to ferment. It will depend on the recipe, conditions, etc., but a good general rule is 3 weeks in primary before bottling. Not always appropriate but it's not a bad frame of mind to start from at the beginning.
     
  10. #10
    barleyboy

    Active Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    +1
     
  11. #11
    grathan

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    For me, the best thing was letting the beer condition more before drinking it all. 2 weeks minimum in primary and at least a month in the bottle.

    Kit freshness is important. I don't know if they have dates on them, but I would avoid the ones appearing to have sat around for a while.

    Kit choice. Instead of randomly picking a kit based on name. Get advice based on some commercial beers that you enjoy.
     
  12. #12
    OMJ

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    Controlling the temp of fermentation is most important IMO.
     
  13. #13
    Yooper

    Ale's What Cures You! Staff Member  

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    The first thing to brew better beer is to use better ingredients. The Brewer's Best kits are "ok". But if you get a better quality kit, with fresh ingredients, that will go a long way to make a better beer.

    I really like the kits from austinhomebrew.com, and they have hundreds and hundreds to choose from. They make them up fresh when you order, so there are no canned extracts with precrushed grains in their kits. I'd definitely go that route!

    Also, fermentation temperature is huge. Keep the fermenting beer at 65 degrees, and the beer will be much better as well.
     
  14. #14
    sendkyleanemail

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    Fermentation temp control
    Sanitation sanitation sanitation
    Patience
    Proper pitching rate and good aeration of wort.
    Sanitation
     
  15. #15
    thughes

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    Did anyone mention fermentation temp conrol yet? :D
     
  16. #16
    captwalt

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    I would also like to say fermentation temperature control. I failed to realize just how important this is. The first batch I brewed in my homemade ferm chamber was noticeably superior to my previous brews. All the undesirable flavors that I didn't even know were undesirable disappeared and the beer was great in a whole new way.
     
  17. #17
    1Mainebrew

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    1) Fermentation Temps
    2) Pitching sufficient, healthy yeast (at the proper temperature)
    3) Wort Chiller
    4) Patience
     
  18. #18
    300RUM

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    fermentation control is where my beers got better:mug:
     
  19. #19
    JLivermore

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    I see fermentation temps as the most often mentioned so thanks, that is the kind of info I was looking for.

    First time the temps got a little high.
    Fermented 2 weeks
    Carbed at 12 psi 1 week

    Second time I kept the temps in line, but added too much water.
    Fermented 8 days
    Carbed higher psi for 2 days

    Given that I did a crappier job all around w/ the 2nd brew, it didn't strike me as notably worse.

    I hope to start this next brew asap, get it as close to perfect as possible, and give it 2 weeks to ferment. Hopefully it'll be really impressive and if not maybe I'll try assembling my own ingredients.

    FWIW I get Brewer's Best mainly cuz I'm on a budget and it's what the place I can ride my bike to sells.
     
  20. #20
    beerloaf

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    Do a full boil, much better utilization of all ingredients and hops specifically.

    Fermentation, as stated prior, controlling temps well. Just because the pack/vial/packet states up to whatever temp, the lower end produces better results, except for Belgian strains, they seem to be the excpetion to the rule.

    Yeast, pitch healthy and the right amount, use starters.

    These 3 things will help you out greatly.

    beerloaf
     
  21. #21
    1Mainebrew

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 9, 2012
    Leave it in primary 3 weeks too, that will help
     
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