Beer SNOBBERY(where do I get my card?)/DIPA

This would be a retro beer. Prior to the 1880s, Milds ran 1.075 and up.

 

Thread retread. Not even that old.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f14/double-ipa-versus-imperial-ipa-151535/#post1736397

 

Double is so literal. What if the recipe is 97% more hops, 78% more malt?

I still see DIPA all over the place. I am just wanting to discuss and educate. Get over it.

i would want the opportunity to think about it, maybe some have never seen any explanation.

OH So it is exactly twice the hops and twice the malt? LOL. I have been over it, where the heck are you?

I have a thread on that too.

Sorry to all of those I offended. I assume you all use the term and are upset about being called out. I just wanted to discuss it.

 

Read passedpawn's last post in the thread he linked to. With that in mind, "Double" is going to be more traditionally appropriate than "Imperial".

Saying that calling it Double means it has to have exactly twice the malt and hops is beyond laughable. If that's the position you're taking, it's not even worth really not even worth discussing. Are you going to be whining about dopplebocks next?

 

No but anyone who brews a dubbell can go to hell.......KIDDING.

My humor does not translate in some cases, in some cases, people here are devoid of a sense of humor.

DOUBLE is quantifiable. Ask a 4 year old. Double 4 and you get 8.


My belief is not that Imperial is OK or historically viable.

I am just saying that the DOUBLE referred originally to the "II".

If I brewed a pale ale with double everything, I would not call it a double pale ale.

It is a barleywine or an imperial pale ale to me.

 

why the f**k not? how does calling it "imperial" make more sense? that is the dumbest thing i've ever heard.

i didn't know you were personally in charge of deciding naming monikers for beer styles.

 

Source one publication that says the DOUBLE refers to 2 letter I's being back to back.

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BJCP states that Double is an adjective that is describing the IPA, not the quantity of I's

[History: A recent American innovation reflecting the trend of American craft brewers “pushing the envelope” to satisfy the need of hop aficionados for increasingly intense products. The adjective “Imperial” is arbitrary and simply implies a stronger version of an IPA; “double,” “extra,” “extreme,” or any other variety of adjectives would be equally valid.]

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Two Brothers Hop Juice calls their beer a Double India Pale Ale.
http://www.beeraday.net/beer/two-brothers-hop-juice-dipa/

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Great Divide's Hercules is called a Double IPA with "India Pale Ale" on the label and no mention of Imperial.

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Heavy Sea's Big DIPA has "Double India Pale Ale" on the label
http://***********.com/beer-reviews/review-heavy-seas-big-dipa
I don't know why The Full Pint is censored....

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Beer Advocate's take on it is as follows:
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/style/140
[Take an India Pale Ale and feed it steroids, ergo the term Double IPA. Although open to the same interpretation as its sister styles, you should expect something robust, malty, alcoholic and with a hop profile that might rip your tongue out. The Imperial usage comes from Russian Imperial stout, a style of strong stout originally brewed in England for the Russian Imperial Court of the late 1700s; though Double IPA is often the preferred name.
]

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None of these guys refer to the Double as a Double I, P, A. The closest thing to a standard is what BJCP calls it and even in their own literature, they don't even really appear to give to much of a **** that the adjective Double (plus others) are used.

Actually, Rogue does have their I2PA... which I guess is I squared...

 

Well, if that is all you are saying, then you need to accept that you are wrong. The II thing would be a plausible guess (if one had to guess), but facts don't back it up. Double refers to ingredients, not letters.

I can't see how there is anything else to say here (if that was all you were saying).

 

Just because a bunch of people say "irregardless" doesn't make it a word.

Those of you who are pissed over this make me laugh!

 

Jumping Jesus on a God Damn Pogo Stick. You must be a troll.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless

So Merriam Webster says it's a word, but regardless is a better word, because it is used more often...

 

You are probably the only one overly passionate about this. I am guessing that many of the responders, like me, are just killing time waiting for a boil to finish. Oatmeal stout, baby. Double.

 

I'm not boiling, unfortunately, but irregardless, this has been fun.

 

The Germans have got you beat here. A Dunkel Weissbier is a "Dark White Beer" - http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/84/1257

 

Creepy. You literally took the words right out of my mouth.

+100

 

You people are AAAAAAAAAAAAA ANAL!!!!!!!

 

Really?

Don't even get me started on the misuse of the word "literally."

Forgive me if you're kidding.

 

Imperial D, or double D?​

I vote Imperial!!!​

 

I vote IPA squared. How's that?

 

...or

2(I)+PA=Yum​

 

OK bretheren. I love you all as brothers....and as such.....

IF ANY ONE OF YOU BREWED A BEER. THEN SAID THE NEXT TIME THAT YOU DOUBLED IT.......IT BETTER BE 10 GALLONS FROM A 5 GALLON RECIPE, OR......10 OZ OF HOPS WHEN THE ORIGINAL WAS 5, ETC....

ANY DEUCHE WHO SAYS HE "DOUBLED" HIS 5 GALLON RECIPE BY BREWING 7 GALLONS...


ARE YOU ALL SERIOUS???? SOME OF THIS IS SCIENCE!!!! DOUBLE CAN MEAN 75% MORE???????

COME ON!!!!!!!

It is not a matter of right and wrong. "Double your hops for this IPA" does not mean ADD ANY AMOUNT MORE YOU CHOOSE!!!!!

 

Take this and all other garbage to the debate forum.

 

So how much does your life suck, seriously??

 

Nobody is taking double literally in here.

We're just saying you are wrong in thinking that the word double is in reference to the letter I. It's not, and you're wrong.

 

The OP is really worked up about the literal translation of things.

Try masturbation, it helps.

 

How do you know? I am not convinced. But thanks for the rational response.


Soooooo.... I guess I doubled my salary this year since I made 10% more.

In a process where measurements are important, I see no reason that double should go from precise to vague.

Why not a quadruple?

 

I can't believe I just wasted 5 minutes on this thread! My fault!
Banish this to debate... "Mikey likes it!" etc...

 

I'm glad you make yourself laugh.

 

As has already been pointed out, there are other stronger versions of beer style that carry the double moniker. We all realize that this branding doesn't mean the beer has double any of the ingredients, or double the alcohol.

And if that's your pet peeve, that's cool. I think we're all just saying that double is an interchangeable adjective with Imperial -- both mean the same thing. The "D" does not mean "Double I".

 

Just because the BJCP guidelines say that double is an alternative....

I take it as "all pickles are cucumbers, but not all cucumbers are pickles."

Imperial could mean double (literally) or extra, or super or whatever.

I appreciate your tone.

I am not upset, or even passionate. I wanted a discussion of some intelligence.


Cheers brother, thanks for supplying that.

 

No. If you made 10% more, you probably doubled MY salary. And I think the double refers to the two I's...
Helluva thing for everyone to get their panties in a bunch over, though...

 

Panties in a bunch........

I support intelligent discussion as it is necessary to achieve any sort of changing, intelligent, evolving community.............



Panties optional.

 

And cheers to you, from another hot pepper enthusiast.

 

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

dude.... thats EXACTLY what makes a word a word.

how do you think bling made it into the modern dictionary?!

my god... if anybody can start a massive fight thread its you cheesy. good job.

 

And I just cant understand dude how yyou are so twisted up over this thing. Have you ever really thought about the language your typing in when you post here and how completely stupid of a language it really is?

think about all the uses for a word like crack...

I cracked open a fresh beer
the door was open a crack
I just smoked a bunch of crack
I heard a cracking noise

Are you frustrated that this word can be used in so many different ways?

I could go to the bar, pub, tavern, alehouse, bistro, canteen, drinkery, cocktail lounge, taproom, watering hole, saloon or many more. You want to have another arguement about these interchangeable words? The language evolves and grows on its own. Leave it Alone!!

The language is stupid, and if you want to get into a huge debate about interchanging two words in English homebrew jargon then you might as well learn a different language. This is one of the stupidest arguements I've ever seen.

 

I consider Pliny The Elder the originator of the style and its inventor, Vinnie, calls it a Double IPA, so there ya go.

 

If crack were a quantifiable measurement, or a multiplication of a specific amount, that would suck.

So crack open some more crack and keep it coming with your wise cracks.

 

you obviously missed the point entirely, but i cant really say im surprised

 

No, you are saying that if a bunch of dip****s mispronounce a word, or make one up, or change the meaning, the rest of us with the ability to think should just accept it.

 

Mod, please close this train wreck.

 

Hehehe that was a good one. I get your joke.

Let's recap this thread shall we:

OP- makes an assertion in rant form
forum- responds by pointing out that the OP is incorrect
OP- lashes out about how the forum response is dumb
forum- points to several specific references from industry websites and beer examples to prove that the response is correct and the OP's original position was incorrect
OP- rejects the proof and maintains his position that he is right and that Imperial makes more sense than double even though several citations and logic say otherwise
forum- points out that OP is a troll
OP- believes rational discussion is a great thing....

yep that was weird.

Again, Cheese, you fit the role of a beer snob to a "T"; under-informed and desperately attempting to seem superior despite a void of practical, pragmatic, or accurate information, all while making everyone think you are a d-bag.

Read my blog on beer snobs, it should illustrate how you are being perceived in this thread.