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American Sour Beer – Book!

Discussion in 'Lambic & Wild Brewing' started by Oldsock, Jan 30, 2014.

 

  1. TrickyDick

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Jun 11, 2014
    You guys stink! I pre ordered months ago, but when I found out about the AHA pre sale 40% off! I thought I'd get it earlier that way so I cancelled the amazon order.

    TD


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  2. SavoryChef

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 13, 2014
    Amazon.com: Your package with American Sour Beer has been shipped. Expected delivery: Monday, 16-Jun by 08:00 PM.
     
  3. therainmaker

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 13, 2014
    Mine just shipped as well. Can't wait to get it!
     
  4. LakesideBrewing

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 13, 2014
    Received my copy last night! I was hooked by the first paragraph:

    I am not a religious person, but if there were a god I imagine it to be something like a brewer: setting conditions that yield pleasing results.

    Awesome! I had a hard time putting it down last night. Great job, Michael!
     
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  5. TrickyDick

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Jun 13, 2014
    Where did you order yours from? I went through AHA. Hope I get mine within the next week.

    TD


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  6. LakesideBrewing

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 13, 2014
    It was a gift from a friend, I'll find out where he ordered it from.

    -Mike
     
  7. Coff

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 13, 2014
    Its here!
     
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  8. Bensiff

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 13, 2014
    If you have amazon prime it's cheaper than the aha preorder due to shipping costs.
     
  9. thatjonguy

    Now with 57.93% more awesome!

    Posted Jun 13, 2014
    Mine will be here Tuesday.
     
  10. Bithead

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 14, 2014
    Mine shipped. No delivery date yet.
     
  11. ndsgr

    Banned

    Posted Jun 14, 2014
    Arriving tomorrow. All of a sudden, I can't remember what was on the honey to do list...
     
  12. goodwood

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 14, 2014
    I can't wait! this has been pre ordered for a while. I will probably do two back to back batches after I read this. I know I will be trying a turbid mash.
     
  13. Arrheinous

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 16, 2014
    Just got my copy in the mail this weekend.

    I'll be taking it out to Sonoma CA for reading material. Hopefully I'll get to cross paths with Russian River.
     
  14. Coff

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 16, 2014
    I am cruising through this thing at warp speed.
     
  15. FredTheNuke

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 16, 2014
    Christmas in June/July today:

    Location Date Local Time Activity
    Charlotte, NC, United States 06/16/2014 7:52 A.M. Out For Delivery
    06/16/2014 6:17 A.M. Arrival Scan
    Raleigh, NC, United States 06/16/2014 3:15 A.M. Departure Scan
    Raleigh, NC, United States 06/15/2014 10:54 P.M. Origin Scan
     
  16. dantheman13

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Jun 16, 2014
    Santa is being a bitch...
     
  17. FredTheNuke

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 16, 2014
    It Hath Arrived!
     
  18. Oldsock

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 17, 2014
    Glad so many people have received their copies! Hope everyone enjoys the book, gets inspired to start a few new batches of sour beer (not that you needed help), and learns a few things!

    If you enjoy it: consider writing a review, telling your homebrewing club/shop, or posting about it. Every little bit helps, and it sends a message to Brewer's Publications about the sort of books homebrewers want to read!

    If you catch any typo's or issues, please let me know ASAP. There will be an ebook in a few months and I'll be able to get any minor edits in at that point. Thanks again!
     
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  19. metic

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 17, 2014
    I read it cover to cover this weekend. Really great resource, and well written too.

    One possible typo I spotted on p.186. You say that the lowest pH Yakobson tested in his trials was 3.08. I haven't checked this, but I think that should be 3.80?
     
  20. Oldsock

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 17, 2014
    Glad you enjoyed it!

    That was actually the correct pH per Chad's website: http://brettanomyces.wordpress.com/

    "Control 0 mg/l
    Starting pH=4.95
    100 mg/l
    Starting pH= 4.55
    500 mg/l
    Starting pH=4.05
    1,000 mg/l
    Starting pH=3.75
    3,000 mg/l
    Starting pH=3.08"
     
  21. BulldogBrewer

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 17, 2014
    My copy showed up last night. So far a great read. I have an out of town meeting tomorrow, so I'm looking forward to hiding in my hotel room and immersing myself in it tonight!

    Congats!
     
  22. metic

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 17, 2014
    Oops, my bad! Should have checked that first.
     
  23. Arrheinous

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 17, 2014
    Got a date with the mechanic sometime in the next couple days... I'll definitely have a chance to finish the book around then.

    I really like how the book plainly states things. There's no threads full of conjecture to sort through. 'This is what they do, here's a damn chart to show you. And the pros/cons of it.' Very helpful since I'm starting to sour mash and Brett everything now.
     
  24. Osedax

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 17, 2014
    Got mine yesterday! Can't wait to start reading this thing.
     
  25. TrickyDick

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Jun 17, 2014
    Anyone ordering through AHA get their copy yet? Feeling pretty dumb canceling my amazon order, thinking presale would mean I get it sooner....


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  26. microbusbrewery

    Senior Member  

    Posted Jun 17, 2014

    Yep, got it back on 6/9 along with a copy of the Yeast book.
     
  27. TrickyDick

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Jun 17, 2014
    Called. Mine shipped on Thursday last week. Odd. Hopefully I'll have it soon.

    TD


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  28. FredTheNuke

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 17, 2014
    1 or 2 very minor typos I'll have to dig up what page they were on
     
  29. TrickyDick

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Jun 18, 2014
    Mine was waiting for me at home tonight. Read through first chapter sipping a duchess du B. Don't ask me to spell it! So far a lovely read. Soaking it up for sure. Thanks Michael!


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  30. MileHighBrewer

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 18, 2014
    Mine is at the ups facility, will be hee tomorrow!

    Already got a few sours lined up, but I'm sure I'll get more inspiration.
     
  31. masonsjax

    Well-Known Member  

    Posted Jun 18, 2014
    My copy arrived today! I read through some of it. It's very well written, I look forward to really digging in.

    I caught a small typo on page 17, Oxyclean should be spelled Oxiclean.
     
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  32. FredTheNuke

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    Posted Jun 18, 2014
    Oldsock - I may have missed it in the book but one big question remains in my mind. For the recipes you post with a FG of less than "dry" (.998 to 1.002 in my opinion with wine typically ending on the lower end) how does the beer STOP there?

    For example on page 333 your Sour Bourbon Barrel Porter has an FG of 1.014 with an ABV of only 8.8%. Why does it stop here - wouldn't the Brett and bacteria keep chugging down to 1.002 over time?

    Now for your Courage Russian Imperial Stout Tribute on page 317 you mention to keep the FG at 1.020 and retain the residual sweetness you have to kill the Brett by crash cooling, fining and adding K Meta. This makes sense to me as to why the beer stops.

    Sacc C yeast stops when it reaches maximum attenuation by yeast strain - my understanding or lack thereof is that Brett and bacteria are only limited by pH and ABV. Is the pH what causes the Sour Bourbon Barrel Porter to end at 1.014?
     
  33. Oldsock

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 18, 2014
    It depends on the strains of microbes you have. Some Brett/Lacto does not produce alpha-glucosidase for example. Not really sure what is in that barrel exactly, but it leaves residual gravity despite potent (but not overbearing) acidity. I sent a bottle to Nick at The Yeast Bay, not sure if he ever plated it.

    At Modern Times playing with some isolates of Brett from Cantillon via Jason Rodriguez that exhibit less than 50% attenuation in standard wort. Alternatively you could generate lots of REALLY big dextrins that are too big (>9 glucose chains) for microbes to ferment.

    In most cases you'd need to kill the bugs to get it to stop that high (or in the case of a sour I started at 1.120, top out on ABV).
     
  34. FredTheNuke

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 18, 2014
    OK - so YOU didn't stop it at 1.014. The brew stopped itself (Sacc C, Brett, Lacto, Pedio and all) and you simply waited until a consistent month to month FG was observed prior to bottling. Ah.
     
  35. Oldsock

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 18, 2014
    Exactly. The Courage is the only batch I've forcefully stopped.

    All the FGs are where my batches stopped, but your results will vary based on specific microbes/conditions etc.
     
  36. Weezy

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 22, 2014
    Let me be the first to curse Mike for writing this book...
    1. I don't want to buy any more glass carboys,
    2. I don't want to try to find space to store any more filled glass carboys for extended periods of time,
    3. I'm out of kegs and tap space as it is,
    4. It feels like a foster home trying to care for and feed multiple strains of bottle dregs.

    ugh.
     
  37. digitalbullet

    Member

    Posted Jun 23, 2014
    Awesome book. Lots of technical detail without being dry.
     
  38. BGBC

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 23, 2014
    Ordered my copy over the weekend. I read and use the blog a lot and am looking forward to the book!
     
  39. lousbrews

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 23, 2014
    Pounding through it and I love it!
    Great read thus far.
     
  40. tagz

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Jun 24, 2014
    Great post on the blog today. It's the American saison chapter... Damn editors!
     
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