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101% Efficiency?! (BIAB decoct)

Discussion in 'Beginners Beer Brewing Forum' started by pilafdm, Oct 21, 2012.

 

  1. #1
    pilafdm

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2012
    Hi folks!

    I did a BIAB partial mash on this holiday ale I'm brewing, and I pulled some off to try a single decoction, just for the experience. I wound up adding just a touch more DME to the recipe (about 1.5 ounces) when I did the decoction (not sure why I did this).

    Still, I was expecting an OG of 1.083, and I wound up with 1.088 -- an efficiency of 101% according to my original recipe. Even if I add an ounce or two to my recipe, I wind up with 99-100%. Surely my techniques are not _this_ solid, so instead of patting myself on the back, I'm worried as hell.

    What's the worst that could happen? I hit my target FG and wind up with more alcohol in the beer? Or maybe I never hit my target FG and just wind up with a bigger body? What should I expect?

    Thanks! Cheers!
     
  2. #2
    unionrdr

    Homebrewer, author & air gun shooter  

    Posted Oct 21, 2012
    Most likely,you'll wind up with an FG a couple points higher than projected. But a good,healthy yeast pitch could take it down to the expected FG. I've had that happen before.:mug:
     
  3. #3
    pilafdm

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2012
    I overpitched and made a starter with DME and brown sugar. Should I expect to pitch again during secondary? Or just use secondary for clarification?

    Thank you! :)
     
  4. #4
    unionrdr

    Homebrewer, author & air gun shooter  

    Posted Oct 21, 2012
    I wouldn't bother with secondary. I've even done big beers with primary only. Clear & tasty. And since you over pitched,I doubt a secondary pitch will be needed as long as you maintain good ferment temps.
     
  5. #5
    tknice

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2012
    Sounds like its gonna be a great beer. What kind of yeast did you use?
     
  6. #6
    pilafdm

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2012
    Let's not be hasty. LOL. This is my 6th or 7th brew and so far I'm about 2/3 on success. :p

    Here's the recipe (note the recipe doesn't accurately portray the amount of spices I put in):
    http://hopville.com/recipe/1652168

    I may have departed from the holiday ale style with my yeast, and I _really_ overpitched. It's just a three gallon batch, but I made a starter with a packet of Nottingham _and_ a vial of Rebel Brewer's house strain "American Pub Ale" yeast, too.

    It's definitely going to town in my closet.

    I don't have any way to control temperature except to put it in the coolest, darkest place of my house... but I'm sure I'm fermenting at too high a temp, so .... hello esters, right?
     
  7. #7
    pilafdm

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2012
    My problem is that I have _no_ mechanism for doing so. It's in my closet takign up the last available cubic inch... it's coolish (I live in San Diego) and dark. I don't have an effective central AC or heating, and there's no elegant way to run a plug for a fan or anything into the closet. I'm sure there's a good degree of fluctuation happening... :( :(
     
  8. #8
    unionrdr

    Homebrewer, author & air gun shooter  

    Posted Oct 21, 2012
    In that case,I hope you have a blow off rigged. And give it extra time after FG is reached to clean up & settle out clear.
     
  9. #9
    pilafdm

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2012
    My airlock won't be enough?
    Ruh-roh.

    Thanks for the heads-up. I'll try to look into a blowoff valve today.
     
  10. #10
    unionrdr

    Homebrewer, author & air gun shooter  

    Posted Oct 21, 2012
    Just take the cap & center piece out of the 3 piece airlock,& put a tube on that into at least a growler 1/3 full of water with a spalsh of starsan. The tube would be 5/8",I think,to fit the riser in the airlock.
     
  11. #11
    bottlebomber

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2012
    Just out the fermenter in a water bath. That will keep it cool.
     
  12. #12
    ajf

    Senior Member  

    Posted Oct 21, 2012
    I once got > 100% efficiency according to Promash. I checked all my figures, and they were right. I saved the session to a file, and reloaded it. My efficiency dropped to the mid 80's. Then programs started crashing left-right-and-center so I replaced the DRAM in the computer and all my problems went away.

    -a.
     
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  13. #13
    pilafdm

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 21, 2012
    Thanks for all the help, everyone.
    Any more wisdom about my unusually high OG?
     
  14. #14
    beerman0001

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 22, 2012
    You can not get 101%. You where only .oo5 over your expected that is not bad. What did you use to determine Efficiency?
     
  15. #15
    fnord

    don't see me  

    Posted Oct 22, 2012
    Holy 13 fermentables! I hope that is for winter 2013/14.

    I was using a calculator, not punching all that into software, so somebody should probably double check me, but I got max for that a 1.093, meaning for a 3 gallon batch you are 15 total points off of 100%.

    Only 22 oz of convertible sugars, potential of about 50 points, of which you were missing 15 points. Right around 70%. Though I feel like I'm doing something wrong since my estimate of 70% brewhouse efficiency for 1.088 puts you at a higher gravity then hopville's estimate with 75% mash efficiency.

    I'd say don't worry about it. I'm pretty sure we've all been there on recipes, but aim for much much simpler.
     
  16. #16
    pilafdm

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 22, 2012
    BeerCalculus.
    I'm thinking my less than scientific measurements of DME and LME are the culprits, here...? But maybe my attempt at decoction upped my efficiency, too? (Or does decoction not do that?)
     
  17. #17
    pilafdm

    Well-Known Member

    Posted Oct 22, 2012
    Simple is good. I need to learn that. (I don't think I had 13 fermentables unless you count the fact I split some up late and early boil... or maybe I did? :p ).

    I'm shocked you went through all that trouble to hand-calculate my recipe. Thanks for giving it a look.

    I was hoping to give this away this holiday season, but I can see it's going to need some mellowing. I'll just suggest people cellar it, I suppose. :(
     
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