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Old 01-15-2009, 10:32 PM   #1
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So I ordered my ingredients from Midwest last week when it was 40 degrees. Little did I know that this freeze was on the way for this week. So I receive my ingredients today and take the yeast (Wyeast 1214 Smack Pack) out of the box and it's slushy inside....not frozen, but slushy. So I smack the pack and let it at room temp. So my question, if it does expand, does this mean I can make my normal sized starter(2L) or should I make a smaller starter and step it up? I'm making Jamil's Belgian Blond that calls for 81% AA that calls for a 1.5L starter. I'm just afraid it won't get the attenuation like I need if some cells died.

Also, when ordering yeast during the winter, do you do anything differently when ordering(not sure what they could do really?) or use dry yeast. I could see this being a regular problem this winter. Guess the 50 mile roundtrip to LHBS will be in order. Thanks for the help.
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Old 01-16-2009, 02:12 AM   #2
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Hmm. Go ahead and smack the pack. Let that sit for a while and then make a starter. Making a starter is really the only way to see if the yeast is still viable. Sometimes the packs don't swell, so don't use that as a guide. Also, you might want to get some Nottingham on order in case your yeast is dead. I always keep some dry yeast on hand just in case.

I'm betting the starter will revive it. As for shipping yeast in winter...I don't really have a solution.

 
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Old 01-16-2009, 12:38 PM   #3
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I have this same concern, I placed an order with Midwest that should be here tomorrow and it is currently -16F everywhere between here and St Paul. If it is frozen solid should I just throw it out and not even bother with a starter or should I let it thaw gently in the fridge and then smack it?

 
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Old 01-16-2009, 03:36 PM   #4
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I hate to look like a douche by replying to my own post, but for anyone else wondering this is what Wyeast says:
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Thaw out in fridge. Activate and assess the time that it takes to swell. If there is no activation within 24 hrs, do not use. If there is activation, make a starter to revive culture.
I guess I will just wait and see how they arrive and try out what they say.

 
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Old 01-16-2009, 06:36 PM   #5
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Your best bet would be to make a starter. I've revived old yeast from a smack pack. The pack never swelled, but the starter kicked off in about 12 hours.

 
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Old 01-16-2009, 07:00 PM   #6
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make a starter whether it swells or not. those yeast are pretty hearty little ****ers. i'll bet you your starter gets going just fine.
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Old 01-16-2009, 10:20 PM   #7
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Follow-up...I smacked my pack yesterday and I have some swelling, about 1/2 the normal size. I would imagine some are alive and some dead. I'm a little concerned if the dead yeast will give off some off flavors if they are revived. However, I think I'll make a starter tonight and still run to the LHBS and grab a vial and add it, just to be safe. If I wasn't looking for 81%AA I would probably see what the starter does, but I really want a dry finish. I won't be getting yeast in the mail again this winter...maybe it's time to start re-using!!
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the dead yeast will be cannibalized by the live yeast and provide nutrients. don't worry about it.
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Old 01-17-2009, 02:45 AM   #9
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maybe it's time to start re-using!!
Nail on the head.
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