Recipe Discussion : Helles from Brouwerij Boerderij Kabouter - Page 3 - Home Brew Forums

Register Now!
Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Recipes/Ingredients > Recipe Discussion : Helles from Brouwerij Boerderij Kabouter

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-12-2009, 02:22 PM   #21
Boerderij_Kabouter
 
Boerderij_Kabouter's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Dec 2007
Oconomowoc, Wisconsin
Posts: 7,750
Liked 148 Times on 120 Posts


OK. I am doing a Hochkurz mash. Re-watching Kaisers videos and some more reading has me thinking it is the best way to go for our highly modified malts.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2009, 03:39 PM   #22
menschmaschine
 
menschmaschine's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Jun 2007
Delaware
Posts: 3,272
Liked 41 Times on 33 Posts


I brewed a similar (to your recipe) Helles on Saturday using a Hochkurz mash (added an acid rest just to see if there was any positive difference). I've also been step-mashing my German light lagers recently because after many decoctions, I tried a step-mash on a German Pils and it is malty as all get-out and the color is a little brighter. And my attenuation was slightly better (FG = 1.011 instead of 1.012-1.013), but that may have been from a better pitching rate with W34/70 than what I used to do with WLP830.
__________________
END TRANSMISSION

 
Reply With Quote
Old 06-26-2009, 11:23 AM   #23
Boerderij_Kabouter
 
Boerderij_Kabouter's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Dec 2007
Oconomowoc, Wisconsin
Posts: 7,750
Liked 148 Times on 120 Posts


S.G. = 1.020 as of last night, so I raised the temp to 63 for two days. Then It is time for a ramp down!

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2009, 06:18 PM   #24
Boerderij_Kabouter
 
Boerderij_Kabouter's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Dec 2007
Oconomowoc, Wisconsin
Posts: 7,750
Liked 148 Times on 120 Posts


This turned out nice, but it is too light to be a Helles. I am calling a blonde lager because that is what it is.


 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2009, 12:39 AM   #25
menschmaschine
 
menschmaschine's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Jun 2007
Delaware
Posts: 3,272
Liked 41 Times on 33 Posts


Glad it turned out well. What do you mean by too light?... color?
__________________
END TRANSMISSION

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2009, 02:49 PM   #26
Boerderij_Kabouter
 
Boerderij_Kabouter's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Dec 2007
Oconomowoc, Wisconsin
Posts: 7,750
Liked 148 Times on 120 Posts


Well, I suppose the color would be in range but on the very lightest end. Gravity was too low because I made the stupid mistake of not boiling down to my target volume... doh! It was a 14 hour brewday though so I cut myself some slack. I ended up at 1.042 instead of 1.048.

Then, I pitched my dry yeast unhydrated and I think that screwed it up a bit. It is to fruity and not malty enough to be a good Helles IMO. It is however, a rather good blonde lager.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2009, 04:14 PM   #27
menschmaschine
 
menschmaschine's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Jun 2007
Delaware
Posts: 3,272
Liked 41 Times on 33 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Boerderij_Kabouter View Post
Well, I suppose the color would be in range but on the very lightest end. Gravity was too low because I made the stupid mistake of not boiling down to my target volume... doh! It was a 14 hour brewday though so I cut myself some slack. I ended up at 1.042 instead of 1.048.

Then, I pitched my dry yeast unhydrated and I think that screwed it up a bit. It is to fruity and not malty enough to be a good Helles IMO. It is however, a rather good blonde lager.
Bummer. There's always next time and it's still good beer.

I think the BJCP guidelines are a bit off on the color of a Helles. The 3-5 SRM range is slightly high. Maybe 2-4 or 2-5 SRM would be better. If one brews a Helles with just German Pilsener malt (which I've seen with a L as low as 1.8) and Cara-pils, you can definitely get under 3 SRM in the final beer even with a 90 min. boil... and it's still a Helles.
__________________
END TRANSMISSION

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2009, 12:56 PM   #28
Bob
 
Bob's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Nov 2007
Christiansted, St Croix, USVI, US Virgin Islands
Posts: 3,927
Liked 141 Times on 104 Posts


How's the foam retention? I was worried you'd lack that because of the extended rest at 140F. (I don't advise "protein rests" longer than 15 minutes, 20 tops; more than that, in my experience, degrades too much protein and negatively impacts foam.)

Bob
__________________
Brewmaster
Fort Christian Brewpub
St Croix, US Virgin Islands

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2009, 01:36 PM   #29
Boerderij_Kabouter
 
Boerderij_Kabouter's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Dec 2007
Oconomowoc, Wisconsin
Posts: 7,750
Liked 148 Times on 120 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by NQ3X View Post
How's the foam retention? I was worried you'd lack that because of the extended rest at 140F. (I don't advise "protein rests" longer than 15 minutes, 20 tops; more than that, in my experience, degrades too much protein and negatively impacts foam.)

Bob
I'll take some pictures tonight. I was under the impression that the elevated protein/sacc rest avoided many of the problems of the extended 120 protein rest???

I used an enhanced decoction on a recent beer and really liked that profile. Basically I took a huge decoction while the main mash was in the acid rest range, added a small amount of the decoction back to get a protein rest at 120. Let it rest for 10 minutes, then added more decoction back in to reach my sacc rest temp. It worked awesome and was really easy to control.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2009, 03:28 PM   #30
Bob
 
Bob's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Nov 2007
Christiansted, St Croix, USVI, US Virgin Islands
Posts: 3,927
Liked 141 Times on 104 Posts


Perhaps the elevated rest does have that function. I've never used your method, personally. It's interesting to get first-hand accounts of any possible impact.

Bob
__________________
Brewmaster
Fort Christian Brewpub
St Croix, US Virgin Islands

 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Oktoberfestbier (lager) from Brouwerij Boerderij Kabouter Boerderij_Kabouter Recipes/Ingredients 46 06-02-2015 06:09 PM
Labels from Boerderij Kabouter Boerderij_Kabouter Label Display & Discussion 97 05-21-2012 05:17 AM
DITCHES (Dual Immersion Thermal Coil Heat Exchange System) Boerderij_Kabouter Brew Stands 154 09-08-2010 04:50 PM
Disaster Strikes Brouwerij der Boerderij Kabouter Boerderij_Kabouter General Chit Chat 17 12-02-2008 03:17 AM
Boerderij Kabouter to Tennessee (Gatlinburg) Boerderij_Kabouter General Chit Chat 9 06-13-2008 06:09 PM


Forum Jump