Honey Steam - Grain Bill Advice - Home Brew Forums

Register Now!
Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Recipes/Ingredients > Honey Steam - Grain Bill Advice

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-19-2008, 02:09 PM   #1
gregblatz
Recipes 
 
Nov 2007
kettering oh, Ohio
Posts: 88


Hi All,
I am planning on making a steam style ale with honey. I have put together the recipe below and would love some input. The more I think about it, the more I am worried that I will have too much specialty grains.

Beersmith has this coming in at 1.051 / 10.5 lovibond / 39 IBU
65% efficiency

What do you think?

3 lb Maris Otter (3)
3 lb Pale 2 row (2)
1.5 lb Vienna (3.5)

.5 lb Biscuit (23)
1.25 lb Caramel (40)
.5 lb CaraVienne (20)

1 oz Cluster 60 min
1 oz Northern Brewer 10min

1.5 lb Clover Honey

WL810 San Fran Lager

 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2008, 02:14 PM   #2
Chriso
Broken Robot Brewing Co.
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
 
Chriso's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Oct 2007
Someplace, Nebraska
Posts: 4,681
Liked 76 Times on 66 Posts


I, too, think that 1.25# Cara 40 might be excessive, esp. with the other grains already there.

I'm no expert on steam beers - that's one style I've not even dabbled in - but if I had to ballpark it, based on what I know about the taste of Anchor Steam, I would half all of those specialty grains... the Vienna will contribute some maltiness already, so I'd limit it to 4oz Biscuit, 12oz Caramel 40, and leave the CaraVienne out entirely.

I *think* the hop schedule looks fine, unless someone more in-the-know has advice.... I don't know if I would use Cluster for bittering, since it's a british hop.... BUT it could be good, with the addition of the honey, to keep away from something citrusy?

If you're looking for honey flavor, I'd add 4 oz Honey Malt to the grainbill.... remember that real honey will ferment out drier than wort usually does, and will lend itself to a dry finish.

Overall - Looks at least intriguing! As I noted, I've never tackled this style before... But it looks good! On the right path!
__________________
BROKEN ROBOT BREWING CO.

Chriso || BJCP Certified || SMaSH Brewers, Unite! || Nebraska Brewers! || Lincoln Lagers Brew Club
"You have just experienced the paradigm shift that is....all grain brewing." - BierMuncher

 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2008, 02:26 PM   #3
gregblatz
Recipes 
 
Nov 2007
kettering oh, Ohio
Posts: 88

Yeah I haven't done a steam style yet either. My basement is going to be around 60-65 degrees for the next few monthis so I figured this is about perfect for the lager yeast/warm temp combo.

Thanks for the input on the grains, I think I will take your advice and cut back quite a bit.

As far as the honey is concerned, I want to up the alcohol, but also have some honey flavor. I have never used honey before. Can someone give me the quick bullet points on the following:
Adding during the last 30 mins of boil
Adding during the last 10 mins of boil
Adding at flameout
Adding after primary fermentation settles down

Thanks!

 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2008, 02:46 PM   #4
jpsloan
 
jpsloan's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Nov 2006
New Market, MD
Posts: 745
Liked 6 Times on 6 Posts


I think you'll be disappointed with a honey addition for taste. The result is most likely to be a drier beer with a boost to the ABV. I support what Chriso said, to try adding some brumalt to the grain bill. It's basically just a crystal malt, but the intensity of the crystal flavor is such that, when paired with a good malty grain bill ends up with what I would call a honey aftertaste. I think that's what you're shooting for... and the vienna will make it punch.

That said, the honey will certainly thin out the beer and bring to something more quaffable, as would most sugar adjuncts.

I'd ratchet back the caramel malt and the biscuit, both to 4oz., 86 the caravienne, and add 8oz brumalt. The base grains have a truckload of flavor as it is (I'd be tempted to go all MO on this one).
__________________
"An Irishman is never drunk as long as he can hold on to a blade of grass, and keep from slipping off the face of the Earth."

 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2008, 03:25 PM   #5
slimer
 
slimer's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Oct 2007
Westmont, IL
Posts: 688
Liked 3 Times on 3 Posts


Or you can use about 4oz of Honey Malt that will give just enough Honey taste.

I was going to do a steam beer within the next month, and my recipe was Yooper's Anchor Steam clone (with different hops). You might want to consider doing something closer to that one.

IIRC her recipe was
10# Pale 2-row
1# Crystal 60

1 oz NB at 60
.5 oz NB at 30
.5 oz NB at flameout

With that being considered, if you want the biscuit and honey flavors, I would go with something like this:

3# Maris Otter
3# Pale Malt
2# Vienna
1# Caramel of your choice
.25# Biscuit
.25# Honey Malt

I was just going off of your ingredients. That will give you an OG of 1.050.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2008, 03:27 PM   #6
slimer
 
slimer's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Oct 2007
Westmont, IL
Posts: 688
Liked 3 Times on 3 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by jpsloan View Post
I think you'll be disappointed with a honey addition for taste.

(I'd be tempted to go all MO on this one).
Or what he said.

 
Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2008, 02:12 PM   #7
gregblatz
Recipes 
 
Nov 2007
kettering oh, Ohio
Posts: 88

Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it.

 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Need help with a grain bill Hound_Dog Recipes/Ingredients 3 08-29-2009 03:36 AM
Dunkel Weizen grain bill advice Hagen Recipes/Ingredients 11 04-08-2009 06:56 PM
APA Grain Bill ?'s ZackWylde Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 3 03-24-2009 09:51 PM
DunkelWeizen Grain Bill Help FishinDave07 Recipes/Ingredients 9 11-05-2008 11:02 PM
Steam Mashing setup. Advice needed. Yorg Equipment/Sanitation 3 08-21-2007 12:53 AM


Forum Jump