If you've got a similar problem with 2 different beers, I am guessing there's a sanitation problem somewhere. I made the Oktoberfast extract version and it came out good. I used amber DME and a different grain schedule of only 1.25 lbs. OG was 1.064, FG was 1.013. Maybe someone else has another idea.
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