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Old 10-09-2008, 03:10 AM   #1
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Does it seem reasonable that I wouldn't get a pretty decent hops kick out of this recipe? The beer was only brewed on Sept 12, so still very young and green tasting, but I was expecting some hops. I got very little!

This is kegged and I've bottled in the past, so never tasted a beer this young with carbonation. Is it normal for hops assertiveness to increase with a little age? I hope so, but it doesn't seem right.

Type: All Grain
Date: 9/12/2008
Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Brewer: Almaden Valley Brewery
Boil Size: 7.00 gal Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 60 min Equipment: Brew Pot (7.5 gal) and Cooler (50 qt)
Taste Rating(out of 50): 35.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 62.40
Taste Notes:


Amount Item Type % or IBU
11 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 78.57 %
1 lbs 8.0 oz Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 10.71 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 7.14 %
8.0 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) Grain 3.57 %
1.00 oz Chinook [11.90 %] (60 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 43.5 IBU
0.50 oz Centennial [9.10 %] (25 min) Hops 10.5 IBU
0.50 oz Centennial [8.80 %] (20 min) Hops 8.9 IBU
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [7.00 %] (15 min) Hops 5.8 IBU
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [7.00 %] (10 min) Hops 4.2 IBU
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [7.00 %] (5 min) Hops 2.3 IBU
0.50 oz Amarillo Gold [7.00 %] (1 min) Hops 0.5 IBU
1.00 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
4.00 tsp Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs Safale (Fermentis #US-56) Yeast-Ale

Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.063 SG
Measured Original Gravity: 1.063 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.018 SG Measured Final Gravity: 1.015 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.86 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 6.27 %
Bitterness: 75.6 IBU Calories: 283 cal/pint
Est Color: 7.1 SRM Color: Color
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Old 10-09-2008, 03:22 AM   #2
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Hmmm...that is very odd. I've hopped beers very similarly to yours and gotten ample hop character. I wouldn't expect the hop character to increase with age, usually does the opposite.
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Old 10-09-2008, 01:32 PM   #3
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It's way too early to judge. Give it another 3-4 weeks.
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Old 10-09-2008, 01:33 PM   #4
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I got nothing. That hop bill looks like nothin' but DELICIOUS. You sure you didn't carb the wrong keg, or something????? You haven't had a bad allergy week, or a cold, or something, right?

That's really, really weird. How long has it been carbing on gas?

Man. That's a really strange issue. Sorry your hops aren't cooperating!

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Old 10-09-2008, 01:38 PM   #5
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I have had what should be hoppy pale ales come out tasting somewhat flat in the hop flavor department. I find that if you dry hop with 0.5-1.0oz of hops it will really open the flavor and aroma right up.

Maybe its the dry hops, maybe its the extra aging. Either way, it has worked for me.

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Old 10-09-2008, 02:01 PM   #6
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I hate to boast, but I just made an IPA with a similar hopping schedule and the only differences being a first wort addition at 90 min. and all Amarillo hops. The hop aroma is a little more subtle then I like but the hop flavor is ridiculously good.

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Old 10-09-2008, 02:05 PM   #7
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And I do not like using Gypsum in IPA's. I feel it gives my IPA's a minerally harsh bitterness.

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Old 10-09-2008, 02:23 PM   #8
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Beerrific has a good point, dry hopping gives you a good hop aroma which as we all know increases our taste perceptions. It's much like having a cold and not being able to taste very well, getting that wiff of hops in the nose really helps you perceive that taste of the hops in the beer. That being said it looks like you have a good amount of late additions so you should still have a hoppy beer on your hands.
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Old 10-09-2008, 02:35 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by King of Cascade View Post
And I do not like using Gypsum in IPA's. I feel it gives my IPA's a minerally harsh bitterness.
I OTOH found that gypsum was the key to really getting my IPAs to's got everything to do with your brewing water that you're starting with.

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Old 10-09-2008, 02:50 PM   #10
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I have had this problem too, I hope you find the answer. I did the dfh 60 clone twice. The first time it was awesome, the second batch had very little hop taste and lots of caramel taste to me. On the second batch I used a hop stopper with the paint strainer bag. When I pulled it out the hops and wort in the bag drained very slowly. I'm wondering if it stops the hops from getting used completely. I am going back to brewing without it the next time. I also did a plae ale with very little hop flavor and I used the paint strainer on that one too.

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