Keg Force Carbing Methods Illustrated - Page 12 - Home Brew Forums

Register Now!
Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Bottling/Kegging > Keg Force Carbing Methods Illustrated

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-19-2010, 03:48 PM   #111
neovox
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
 
neovox's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Feb 2010
Michigan
Posts: 853
Liked 43 Times on 31 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Brewer3401 View Post
I'm guessing a charger is the small CO2 thingies
Exactly. See HERE.

He says he uses about 4-5 cartridges per keg from full to empty.
__________________

BrewStreams - Homebrewing and Craft Beer News Aggregator

 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2010, 03:55 PM   #112
Brewer3401
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
 
Brewer3401's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Jun 2004
Southeast Louisiana
Posts: 1,152
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by neovox View Post
Exactly. See HERE.

He says he uses about 4-5 cartridges per keg from full to empty.
I'm assuming that's just for dispensing - not force carbing ?
__________________
Fermenter: Blonde Ale
Brite tank: -0-
Kegged: -0-

 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2010, 04:03 PM   #113
neovox
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
 
neovox's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Feb 2010
Michigan
Posts: 853
Liked 43 Times on 31 Posts


Nope, both. Which is what started my conversation with my LHBS about using a charger for that purpose vs. having to use a priming sugar vs. using a cylinder & regulator.
__________________

BrewStreams - Homebrewing and Craft Beer News Aggregator

 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2010, 04:52 PM   #114
Bobby_M
Vendor and Brewer
HBT_SPONSOR.png
 
Bobby_M's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Aug 2006
Whitehouse Station, NJ
Posts: 23,245
Liked 1695 Times on 1089 Posts


Of course the chargers will work to force carb. It's just a very imprecise and expensive way to do it.

My estimate is that it would take two 16g carts initially to carb, then 3 to dispense and you'd be rollercoastering on the carb level the whole time.

It would take 141 16gram cartridges to equal the same amount of gas as a 5lb CO2 tank.

That's $141 and you could get a 5lb tank, regulator, and your first 5 fills for that much.

Even if you later decided to get out of the hobby after 2 years, you have 75% resale value on the tank/reg and a bin full of empty cartridges the other way.
__________________
Welcome to BrewHardware.com. I love you.
Corny Keg Dry Hop Canisters $26.50 for limited time
Chugger Pumps, Pump Kits, Camlocks, Sightglasses, Clear USA made Silicone Tubing, RIMS, Electric Install Parts, etc.


 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2010, 05:31 PM   #115
Brewer3401
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
 
Brewer3401's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Jun 2004
Southeast Louisiana
Posts: 1,152
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby_M View Post
Of course the chargers will work to force carb. It's just a very imprecise and expensive way to do it.

My estimate is that it would take two 16g carts initially to carb, then 3 to dispense and you'd be rollercoastering on the carb level the whole time.

It would take 141 16gram cartridges to equal the same amount of gas as a 5lb CO2 tank.

That's $141 and you could get a 5lb tank, regulator, and your first 5 fills for that much.

Even if you later decided to get out of the hobby after 2 years, you have 75% resale value on the tank/reg and a bin full of empty cartridges the other way.
Excellent points.

One more - get at least 2 CO2 cylinders - you'll always have CO2

If you get the high and low pressure guages, don't trust the HP - will only go low when you're almost empty.

Best way is to weigh the cylinder - think full they are 12.50 pounds (7.50 is the weight of the cylinder)
__________________
Fermenter: Blonde Ale
Brite tank: -0-
Kegged: -0-

 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2010, 05:33 PM   #116
neovox
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
 
neovox's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Feb 2010
Michigan
Posts: 853
Liked 43 Times on 31 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby_M View Post
Of course the chargers will work to force carb. It's just a very imprecise and expensive way to do it.
That's what I had thought.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby_M View Post
My estimate is that it would take two 16g carts initially to carb, then 3 to dispense.
That's exactly what he had told me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby_M View Post
It would take 141 16gram cartridges to equal the same amount of gas as a 5lb CO2 tank. That's $141 and you could get a 5lb tank, regulator, and your first 5 fills for that much.
Yeah. I can get 40 carts for about $30. At 5 per keg, that's about $3.75 per keg, or 8 kegs per $30. I agree with your point though that in the long-run it's more expensive for a less stable result.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby_M View Post
Even if you later decided to get out of the hobby after 2 years, you have 75% resale value on the tank/reg and a bin full of empty cartridges the other way.
A really good point, considering the cylinder and regulator pretty much maintain their value. Cost/value factor aside though, what was making me scratch my head was the LHBS saying that simply using a charger vs tank setup wouldn't work. Roller coaster effect aside, it will work. It's just not ideal. Thanks for your input.
__________________

BrewStreams - Homebrewing and Craft Beer News Aggregator

 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-25-2010, 11:59 PM   #117
dp69_2001
Recipes 
 
May 2008
Richfield, UT.
Posts: 369
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts


I totally messed this up with my new kegging system. One of the sites I had read when I initially kegged my beer said that 48 hours at serving pressure would carb the beer perfectly, and was referred to as the "patient method" on this site: http://www.homebrew.com/articles/article12018101.shtml

I pulled off a very flat, although tasty, beer this evening. I've kicked it up to 30 psi for now. Would the shake the hell out of it method give me a drinkable beer by sometime tonight? or should I forget about drinking this by the weekend like I'd hoped

 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2010, 12:03 AM   #118
ajmartinez
Recipes 
 
Dec 2009
Houston, TX
Posts: 86

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby_M View Post
It's very possible that you didn't have a perfect seal on the keg while the yeast were dealing with the priming sugar.

If the carbonation pressure on the chart is 13psi, that's what you should leave it at even during serving. With 6' of line, the pour may be a little fast but it shouldn't be too bad.
update.. the pressure release thing in the lids leak on both kegs. gonna have to replace those. doh.
__________________
Blog / Flickr

 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2010, 12:43 AM   #119
Brewer3401
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
 
Brewer3401's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Jun 2004
Southeast Louisiana
Posts: 1,152
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts


Quote:
Originally Posted by ajmartinez View Post
update.. the pressure release thing in the lids leak on both kegs. gonna have to replace those. doh.
I've heard a couple of people losing a whole CO2 cylinder - bad seal.

Save the whales..............but kill those funky seals.
__________________
Fermenter: Blonde Ale
Brite tank: -0-
Kegged: -0-

 
Reply With Quote
Old 03-26-2010, 12:53 AM   #120
ajmartinez
Recipes 
 
Dec 2009
Houston, TX
Posts: 86

Yeah, I can barely hear (too much artillery/mortars/rockets blowing up around me for a while) - but I pulled the keg out after another no-carbonation-worth-mentioning pull from the tap and.... sure enough faint hiss from the pressure release dealio. Checked the empty keg - it does the same thing. It takes a real long time for all the pressure to leak down, but it's definitely leaking, and that definitely isn't good for carbonation.
__________________
Blog / Flickr

 
Reply With Quote
Reply
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Force Carbing in a day? skeeordye11 Bottling/Kegging 7 01-19-2009 04:18 PM
Force Carbing Dominator6 Bottling/Kegging 5 05-04-2008 04:05 AM
how much force carbing? ski36t Bottling/Kegging 4 03-30-2007 02:59 PM
Force Carbing? MilwaukeesBus Bottling/Kegging 9 03-14-2007 10:07 PM
Need help with force carbing Craig5_12 Bottling/Kegging 21 03-03-2007 04:36 PM


Forum Jump