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Old 06-19-2008, 07:37 PM   #51
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Hello Mexico!

BierMuncher, seriously and with all-due-respect, there are other opinions out there. I don't have anything against children, or school programs, or education for children. What I DO dislike is this socialized opinion that the burden of children should be equally shared and I find the idea of "the villages' children" to be sickening. You want to educate your children? Send them to private school. We need to do away with public schools altogether.
Wow. Just... wow.

No public schools? THAT sure sounds like a great public policy! Who the hell needs an educated workforce! Why on earth should those who come from lower income families be able to educate themselves! Hell with that! That's not what we're looking for in our society!

I mean, I'm all about keeping government small... BUT WIPING OUT PUBLIC EDUCATION? That's just WHACKY!

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I don't have anything against children, or school programs, or education for children.
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We need to do away with public schools altogether
You're just fine with school programs as long as they are all 100% privately funded and don't cost you a cent?
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Old 06-19-2008, 07:39 PM   #52
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I love the fact that all the "I'm never having kids" crowd always seems to forget that THEY WERE ONCE KIDS THEMSELVES, and if their parents hadn't had kids, they would not be here to complain about kids...


I don't have any kids yet, but I plan to.
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Old 06-19-2008, 07:43 PM   #53
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...The reality is that most couples are delaying marriage until their 30's and 40's so just when they are planning on retiring, they have college expenses to worry about. In 18 years it's going to cost several hundred thousand dollars to send kids to an average college - basically wiping out any savings you might have and putting your kid in deep deep debt with probably very little chance of ever getting a job. ...
There's the problem (in bold). Let the kids fend for themselves. Both my wife and I put ourselves through engineering school. Paid back the debt no problem with an engineer salary. No burden to parents finances. Expecting my only child to do the same.

 
Old 06-19-2008, 07:44 PM   #54
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...You want to educate your children? Send them to private school. We need to do away with public schools altogether.
So those who cannot afford private schools? What do you suggest?

Trust me. You're talking to a right winger who voted for Reagan in '80. I know the difference between the "it takes a village" attitude and one that says if we want to live in a civilized society, we bare the burden of paying for law enforcement, fire protection, health care for the elderly (which is us someday) and yes...maybe even along the way, we educate the children so they don't become a bigger burden as uneducated, jobless adults.

You do realize that this country was built on public education right?

 
Old 06-19-2008, 07:46 PM   #55
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There's the problem (in bold). Let the kids fend for themselves. Both my wife and I put ourselves through engineering school. Paid back the debt no problem with an engineer salary. No burden to parents finances. Expecting my only child to do the same.
Most financial planners will tell you to make damn sure your retirement picture is in good shape before worrying about funding your kids' college education. Lots of ways to get $$ for college; scholarships, grants, loans, etc, not too many options to get $$ for retirement.

I've put away a fair amount of money for my retirement but not much yet for The Bean, but of couse she's a supergenious who's going to get a full athletic scholarship to play hoops, with a great laugh.
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Old 06-19-2008, 07:49 PM   #56
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It doesn't seem reasonable to pick and choose what public services you would and would not fund. If you want to do away with public education, then you should also do away with libraries. That is another service you pay for but have the option of choosing not to use. There may be streets you don't drive on, can you stop contributing to funds that repair those as well?

Some things are just for the overall benefit of society as a whole, and everyone contributes to them.

I agree with BierMuncher, what we DON'T need in this country is more of the "ME, MYSELF, MINE" attitude that I see in people every day.

 
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Old 06-19-2008, 07:50 PM   #58
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Originally Posted by atarlecky View Post
Hello Mexico!

BierMuncher, seriously and with all-due-respect, there are other opinions out there. I don't have anything against children, or school programs, or education for children. What I DO dislike is this socialized opinion that the burden of children should be equally shared and I find the idea of "the villages' children" to be sickening. You want to educate your children? Send them to private school. We need to do away with public schools altogether.
What does Mexico have to do with anything? Last time I checked they were not, in fact, a socialist country.

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"My house ain't burned down - I'm not paying for no goddamn fire department!"
Dang it Bird, you beat me to it!
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Old 06-19-2008, 08:11 PM   #59
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you have to have public schools, there's no getting around it, but it doesn't make the $4000+ a year i pay to our school system via property tax feel any better coming out of my wallet.

now, why don't we do the same thing for medical care?

i like kids though, for the most part. if they could just be hidden away during those difficult teen years when they are all full of BS. like sent to madagascar or something from 12 to maybe 22
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Old 06-19-2008, 08:12 PM   #60
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I don't know about everyone else, but I would prefer to hear the laughter of children over most of the other noises they can be known to make.

Can I call you twenty-somethings hippocrates now, or in twenty years from now after some of you nay sayers actually procreate?

 
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