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Old 03-12-2008, 07:37 PM   #1
Mar 2008
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I usually brew ale and mead, but lately, I've been doing some experiments with Semi-Sweet Bottle Conditioned-Cider using dry yeast, and thought that others may be interested in the results.

The cider in these trials is a made from the same pressing which has been stored frozen: a mix of bittersharps and sweets, with fruit from a wild hawthorne mixed in.

For this experiment, I have been keeving the cider before fermentation. Some bottle-conditioned brews in the past, I have used a different yeast for the conditioning other than the brewing, but in these trials, I have been using only one yeast for both.

Sorry, I don't know the proper terms for the tastes and smells for cider, but I do know what I like.

Saflager S-23 - Grade A-
Produces a decent tasting semi-sweet cider. For some reason, reminds me of Heineken, as if Heineken was a cider. Same yeast, maybe? Semi-sweet fermentation atakes 72 hrs at 68F. Conditioning takes 24 hrs at 68F. Decent tasting at any temp. No sulphur odors. Pours a nice head. The mouth feel is good, nice and tingly. Most of the yeast settles to the bottom, although the cider stays extremely cloudy. I could drink this all day long.

Fleischmann’s Bread Machine Yeast - Grade: B+
Produces a decent tasting French style Demi-Sec Cidre. Very quick fermentation at 24 hrs @ 68F for semi-sweet. Bottle conditioning takes 18 hrs @ 68F. Best served cold, although still pleasant at room temperature. At first opening the bottle, the aroma has a not unpleasant sulphurous odor that dissapates after a couple mins. Not much of a head. The mouth feel is good, nice and tingly. I find that I drain the glass and reach for more before I even realize it.

Safeale S-04 - Grade: B+
Produces a decent tasting French style Demi-Sec Cidre. Semi-sweet fermentation at 48 hrs at 68F. Conditioning takes 36 hrs. Best served cold, but very agreeable at room temp. No sulphur odors. Very fruity smell. A head disappears after about 1 min. The mouth feel is good, nice & tingly, full bodied with a hint of raspberries. Doesn't go flat even when left open overnight. Very high sedimentation with the yeast sticking to the bottom of the bottle. I could drink this all day long. Update: Open bottles in the refrigerator will restart fermentation and stink, so I lowered the grade from A- to B+.

Safeale US-05 - Grade: B-
Produces a decent tasting German style Apfelwein-like cider. Semi-sweet fermentation at 96 hrs at 68F. Conditioning takes 60 hrs. Best served very cold. Only a hint of sulphur upon opening the bottle. No head to speak of. The mouth feel is good, slightly syrupy, nice and tingly even after sitting open to air for awhile. Taste is slightly sour. I drain the glass, but I don't reach for more.

Fleischmann’s Active Dry Yeast - Grade: D
Definately not the best cider that I have ever had, but not the worst, either. Semi-sweet fermentation takes 60 hrs @ 68F. Conditioning takes 48 hrs @ 68F. Best served ice cold. Upon opening the bottle, the sulphorous odor is overpowering. It takes about 10 mins after pouring a glass for the smell to dissapate. Pours a head that goes away after a min or so. Has a taste reminicent of bread dough. The mouth feel is thin and watery.

I hope to post more results from other yeasts as they come in.

Edit: 14 Mar 08 - Added Safeale S-04
Edit: 18 Mar 08 - Added Saflager S-23

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Old 03-12-2008, 11:49 PM   #2
Mar 2008
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Did you follow a standard cider recipe when using these yeasts?

What is bottle conditioning? Is that the same as 'priming' or 'carbonating'?

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Old 03-14-2008, 05:40 PM   #3
Mar 2008
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The recipe I am using is the same for all. The unfermented cider that I am using is from the same batch, although it has been frozen for months. I keeve 3 gals unfermented cider using calcium chloride in a bucket. The clarified cider goes into a carboy, along with 1/2 tsp yeast, which is then placed in a warm area that stays at 68F. Every so often, I check the sweetness of the cider. When it gets to the right level (I prefer semi-sweet), it gets racked (unfiltered) into 12 oz bottles which are then placed back into the 68F area. Every so often, I open a bottle to see if it is conditioned (carbonated). When the bottles are conditioned adequately, they go into the refrigerator.

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Old 03-20-2008, 07:34 PM   #4
Feb 2008
Ft Hood, TX
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Good work keep adding to the list
Primary: Not so Simple Cider
Cellared: Mead
Keg: Not so Simple Cider
Planning: Simpler cider

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Old 03-20-2008, 08:21 PM   #5
Nov 2007
Spring Valley, Ohio
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Are you really only fermenting for no more than 4 days? Not allowing for clearing or aging at all? Because shouldn't every one of those improve drastically with age?
Meads: Hababero and Sarrano Capiscumel, Show Mead possibly getting split and flavored, and 12 gallons of Bochet Deliciousness
Ciders:3 Ciders with differing additives TBD, Strawberry/Apple Cider
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Old 03-20-2008, 09:51 PM   #6
Jul 2007
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i've got the same query as Tusch. Have you not tried raking to a secondary and giving a few months to age?

I am very impressed if you can be getting a highly drinkable beverage in as little as 36 hours.

What sort of ABVs are you getting with this brew?

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