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Old 02-16-2008, 01:48 AM   #1
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Has anyone attempted an IPA wile hopping ONLY at 30min or later? I'm thinking about the following hop additions for a 10 gallon batch with my target IBUs at 65 and an OG of 1.065:
All pellet hops:
30min - 1oz - Chinook 12AA
30min - 3oz - Cascade 6.3AA
15min - 3oz - Cascade 6.3AA
15min - 1oz - Willamette 6.5AA
5min - 2oz - Willamette 6.5AA

 
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Old 02-16-2008, 02:19 AM   #2
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I did an IIPA with a good deal of late hop additions, but I also had a ton of hops at the beginning of the boil too (Hopacles link in my signature).

It would certainly be an interesting experiment, and it's one that I plan on trying with an IPA sometime myself. If you brew this, please report back your results.
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Old 02-16-2008, 02:20 AM   #3
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I've been wanting to try one, but with the cost of hops I just can't make myself do it.
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Old 02-16-2008, 02:22 AM   #4
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So your looking for hop flavor as much as the bitterness, that is what I get from your recipe. If you like the flavor of willamette(your final additions) try saving your last addition til after flameout. Lower the temps to 180f and steep the last addition for about 30mins. The flavor contribution is amazing. Check my Pale ale recipe, the flavor of the hops really stands out.

 
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Old 02-16-2008, 02:25 AM   #5
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what's the desired effect?

i mean, it seems like you want more hop flavor and aroma but with less bitterness, but what's the reasoning behind 4 oz at 30 min over 1-2 at 60?


 
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Old 02-16-2008, 02:55 AM   #6
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Today was brewday on my new IPA which was heavy on the late hops.

OG: 1.057

1 oz Centennial (9.7) @ 60
1 oz Centennial (9.7) @ 20
1 oz Amarillo (8.4) @ 20
1 oz Amarillo (8.4) @ 7
1 oz Cascade (6.7) @ 7
1 oz Centennial (9.7) @ 1

I'm planning on dry-hopping this baby with an ouce each of Centennial & Amarillo. I tasted great going into primary.
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Old 02-16-2008, 03:03 AM   #7
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I'm going to make this IIPA in about a week:

2 oz. Simcoe Pellets, 11.9 % First Wort Hop
1 oz. Liberty Pellets, 4.0% First Wort Hop

1 oz. Centennial Whole 8.6% boiled 45 min. info
1 oz. Simcoe Pellets, 11.9 % boiled 45 min. info

1 oz. Centennial Whole 8.6% boiled 10 min. info
1 oz. Amarillo Whole 9.8% boiled 10 min. info

2 oz. Centennial Whole 8.6% boiled FLAMEOUT – 60 seconds
2 oz Amarillo Whole 9.8% boiled FLAMEOUT – 60 seconds

2 oz. Amarillo Whole 9.8% DH In the SECONDARY

Edit: I know this looks borderline irresponsible given hop shortages, etc. The centennials are 2006 (I'm almost positive), and I've got ~ 1lb of amarillo. This beer is really for my brother. He's graduating from college, he's a real hop-head (I've taught him well), and he said lets make a graduation beer. When I asked him what kind, there was no hesitation - IIPA. This will be the last IPA I make for a loooong time. Kolsch, pale ale, amber, and porter will be my standard rotation for a while.
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Old 02-16-2008, 03:40 AM   #8
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Edit: I know this looks borderline irresponsible given hop shortages, etc. The centennials are 2006 (I'm almost positive), and I've got ~ 1lb of amarillo. This beer is really for my brother. He's graduating from college, he's a real hop-head (I've taught him well), and he said lets make a graduation beer. When I asked him what kind, there was no hesitation - IIPA. This will be the last IPA I make for a loooong time. Kolsch, pale ale, amber, and porter will be my standard rotation for a while.
I was just about to ask if you won the lotto to afford to be able to brew that bad boy. 13 oz of hops in one batch!!! Given an average of around $3 oz you're spending $39 just for the hops!!! Hope it turns out great!!

 
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Old 02-16-2008, 04:13 AM   #9
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what's the desired effect?

i mean, it seems like you want more hop flavor and aroma but with less bitterness, but what's the reasoning behind 4 oz at 30 min over 1-2 at 60?
90 minutes - no aroma, no flavor, maxed bitterness
20 minutes - no aroma, maxed flavor, 25% of max bitterness
10 minutes - 85% of max aroma, 20% of max flavor, 15% of max bitterness

You get no flavor or aroma from full boil hops (maxed bitterness), but the reverse is not true - when hops are at or near their max for flavor or aroma, you still get some bitterness. So the idea is add as much late hops as possible to get the full amount of bittering needed but with massive flavor and aroma.

Read this from the current king of homebrewing.

I have done an all late hop in an APA but not an IPA. In the IPA, I add a half ounce at the beginning and get about a quarter to a third of my IBUs from that, then massive late hops for the intense flavor and aroma.
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Old 02-16-2008, 04:22 AM   #10
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There is good article on late hopping on the Mr. Malty site. It is written by Jamil Z. and goes into fairly good detail about the effects and different techniques of late hopping. He also talks with a couple of commercial brewers and how they use late hooping in their beers.

I have yet to try this technique but it is intriguing and reportedly gives outstanding flavor and aroma. Your IPA sounds great, I can't wait to hear how it turns out. Report back, please.

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