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Old 11-29-2010, 04:46 PM   #21
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Passed here in May. I hear the bars are losing patronage, and as a side benefit, the school system, which is partially funded with lottery sales, are losing money because people are spending fewer dollars at the bar, which jmeans fewer lottery tickets too.

But, I went to a Karaoke bar this summer and in no time the place was a friggin smokestack. I guess the law doesn't count if nobody calls the cops. FYI - The ventilation system was non-existent and we came home smelling like a pack of camels.

I am personally for a smoke-free bar and the right to smoke in a bar if you want to.

 
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Old 11-29-2010, 05:19 PM   #22
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Old 11-29-2010, 06:02 PM   #23
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I didn't mean to revive the dead.
I meant to post that picture in this one
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:25 PM   #24
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Not sure if the "bars will lose business" argument holds water -

22% of Americans smoke - that means 78% do not. And some percentage of THAT population doesn't frequent bars because of the smoke. So they're likely to GAIN some patrons...maybe as many as they lose or more.
my 2 cents.

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Old 11-30-2010, 06:49 PM   #25
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The majority of San Antonio will be smoke free in August, 2011.

The delay is to give business owners time to build patios for smoking outside. Seems like a very reasonable compromise.
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:12 PM   #26
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In NYC, the bar business dipped initially, but went right back up. Smokers rebelled, but once the appeal of the bar outweighs staying home to smoke, they returned.

Overall it is a smashing success and I don't recall anyone I know complaining about it.
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Old 11-30-2010, 07:15 PM   #27
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Overall it is a smashing success and I don't recall anyone I know complaining about it.
You mean, complaining about it now.

People were screaming bloody murder around here. Houston had a similar backlash that disappeared quickly.
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True, there was a lot of complaining when it started. Even most smokers agree with it now though.
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Old 12-01-2010, 11:42 AM   #29
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Not sure if the "bars will lose business" argument holds water -

22% of Americans smoke - that means 78% do not. And some percentage of THAT population doesn't frequent bars because of the smoke. So they're likely to GAIN some patrons...maybe as many as they lose or more.
my 2 cents.

and yes, nice zombie resurrection, dzlater, intentional or not!
Shortly after it passed here, there was an article in the paper talking about the loss to businesses. They claimed that it was because the smokers were spending far less time at the bar when they went there. Instead of staying for a couple of hours or more, they would stay for a half hour or so, and leave. There were more reasons, but that was the one that I remembered the most.
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Old 12-01-2010, 03:56 PM   #30
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In Michigan, smoking is banned in bars as well. On one hand, it's nice going out to the bars and not smelling like smoke. But on the other hand, I'm a believer in fewer government regulations and think it should be up to the bars to make the decision. When smoking was allowed I did tend to frequent smoke-free watering holes more so than ones that did allow smoking.

 
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