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Old 02-08-2008, 04:17 AM   #1
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This weekend I plan on making my first partial mash recipe using Austin Homebrew's Stone IPA - Mini Mash and I have a couple questions I would really appreciate help with.

First off the directions call for soaking/steeping the grains in 2.5 gallons of water at 155 degrees for 45 mins and then rinsing with 2 qt. of water @170 degrees. I was considering instead of following the kit directions of giving the Counter-top partial mashing method a try. http://www.byo.com/feature/1536.html

Good idea or bad? Any preferences on the method, does it even matter??

The next question is regarding the hops. If I enter the recipe into beersmith it comes up with an IBU of 40.7 which seems quite low to me. I found another thread where someone asked the same question and the solution ended up doing a full boil. But I myself am not able to do a full boil at this point. So I was wondering if adding the extract late in the boil(or even after) is the right way to go. Are there other concerns about adding the extract at the end??

A 15 minute extract boil gives me 71.6 and after the boil gives me 81.9. Any advice/help is greatly appreciated. I am a big fan of IPA so I am really hoping I get this one right! I have posted the recipe below. Thanks

1 lb. Munich Malt
1 lb. Crystal 20L
2 lbs. 2-Row

6.5 lbs. Extra Pale Extract

1 oz. Warrior @60mins
1 oz. Centennial @ 15 mins
1 oz. Centennial @ 5 mins

1oz. Centennial Dry Hop

5.25 batch with a 3 gallon boil


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Old 02-08-2008, 12:52 PM   #2
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Mash your PM whatever way works best for you and yields a decent extract eff.

As far as the hops...nothing wrong in my book with doing a late addition and bumping your utilization in the process on something you want to be a good dose of hops in the first place


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Old 02-08-2008, 02:27 PM   #3
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Default Stone IPA Clone AHS

I did this mini-mash clone from AHS few months back- best beer i made to date. The only mods i made were using a full boil (actually 6+ gallons) and adjusting the hops because of better utilization. I forgot what the IBU's were using AHS directions, but my batch had 78-83 IBU's. I basically mashed using AHS's directions, maybe with slight changes but nothing drastically different- just sparged with some 170 degree water (gallon or so). Outcome= Very good body and maltiness (especially for mini-mash/extract recipe), nice bitter bite without overpowering every other aspect, and a huge floral and citrus nose.

In other words, make any adjustments you think would be better, but rest assured AHS's glorified steeping (minimash) produces an excellent beer in this case.
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Old 02-08-2008, 04:21 PM   #4
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Having never done a PM before I really have no info on what the best method for efficiency would be, was wondering what the general opinion was. But I'm thinking I just need to pick one and start some experimenting


mhot55,
It was your thread I was mentioning above. Glad to hear it came out very well! I am still undecided which route I am going to chose for the PM method. But it's good to know that the AHS method works successfully.

I will go with the partial boil though and the late extract since it seems some change is necessary to hit the correct IBU. Just don't have the capacity for a full boil.


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Default Late extract!!!!!

FYI- late extract addition (end of boil) will also need an adjustment as this also leads to better hop utilization, even with a partial boil.
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FYI- late extract addition (end of boil) will also need an adjustment as this also leads to better hop utilization, even with a partial boil.
According to beersmith(at least with me at the controls) it says doing a partial boil(3 gallons) and adding the extract at the last 15 mins of the boil will give me an IBU of 71. Is there some other adjustment than that, that I should be considering???
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Edwort has a similar (but AG) recipe. His hop schedule is:

1 oz. Warrior 60 minutes
1 oz. Centennial at 45 minutes
1 oz. Centennial at 5 minutes
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I have done this recipe but AG.

Follow AHS instructions they are good general instructions that will work for you.

My only change to this recipe is in the drop hopping. I have a local pub that has stone of tap and wow.. when you drink it you can smell the centinnial just like you where smelling a bag of hops. I up the dry hop to 2oz.

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I did this extract per the directions as my first ever batch, and it was excellent as is. Actually, I backed off on the warrior and only used about 2/3 of an oz, but that's just me.

As for the AHS all-grain, EdWort's looks really close, I looked at EdWorts 1lb munich, 1 lb crystal 20L and the hopping schedule is right, but 10.5lbs of pale malt sounds like it would make for too rich of a beer. What does AHS use as its base malt - 2 row?

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Just FYI anoldur, I think you mistyped a bit. Ed's has no 45 min addition, its a 15 min addition.


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