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Old 01-25-2008, 05:57 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by wortmonger
wort like wert(Bert and Ernie)
trub like troob
krausen like crow-zen

Hope I have been saying them right
krausen is Krou (as in ouch) -zen.

kreusen - kroy-zen
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Old 10-15-2009, 06:06 AM   #22
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he had it right... unless he edited.

I am wondering about trub. is it troob like boob or troob like the northern pronunciation of creek being crik.

is it troob or truhhhhb?
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Old 10-15-2009, 07:19 AM   #23

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"Zaatz" is how they pronounce it in the Czech Republic.
German: http://www.bodensatz.com/staticpages...20410072601767
Belgian: http://www.belgianstyle.com/mmguide/...nce/speak.html
The link at the bottom of the first page has a good recording of the Czech for Zatec, which is Saaz. It's pronounced very much like Croatian, but that Z is like a Ž here. They pronounce the Z like the S in "pleasure" or like the J in French as in "Je". The C is pronounced like a TS. So, sorta like Zhatets.

"Saaz" is the German way of naming that hop.

The recording of the German is good too. Sounds like Zots.

Nice link. Thanks for posting that!
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Old 10-15-2009, 02:27 PM   #24
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I lived in Czech Republic for almost a year, fell in love with beer while there.

When they have "c" at the end of the word like "zatec", it comes out like "ts". BTW in czech, that is TWO syllables, not "zaatz". It is actually ZAH-tets. With a hacek on the Z (a different letter in czech than an actual Z), making it as Matt described, like a rough "SH" sound. And the emphasis is always always on the first syllable in every czech word.
The word saaz is how its adapted elsewhere. I wouldn't pronounce any "t" in Saaz.
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Old 10-15-2009, 02:42 PM   #25

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I lived in Czech Republic for almost a year, fell in love with beer while there.

When they have "c" at the end of the word like "zatec", it comes out like "ts". BTW in czech, that is TWO syllables, not "zaatz". It is actually ZAH-tets. With a hacek on the Z (a different letter in czech than an actual Z), making it as Matt described, like a rough "SH" sound. And the emphasis is always always on the first syllable in every czech word.
The word saaz is how its adapted elsewhere. I wouldn't pronounce any "t" in Saaz.
Is that Z like this?

Ž
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Old 10-15-2009, 02:48 PM   #26
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Saaz pronunciation
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Old 10-15-2009, 03:05 PM   #27
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And, if you've wondered how some Belgium beers are pronounced...
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Old 10-15-2009, 03:16 PM   #28
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krausen like crow-zen
more like croy-zen, with your face contorted into an extreme grin to get closer to the way the "r" is pronounced in German.

 
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Old 10-15-2009, 10:35 PM   #29
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Is that Z like this?

Ž
yeah, they call the symbol a hacek (by the way the c in hacek should also have a hacek above it, I don't know my international keyboard codes :P ) Usually the hacek changes a hard consonant to a soft consonant.
Hacek = HA-chek
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Old 10-15-2009, 10:57 PM   #30
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I always thought, "sahz," but I guess I know better now.

I wonder how many of us can correctly pronounce the following?

wort
trub
krausen
I've been wondering about this too - I know how these words are "supposed" to be pronounced (a few years of German will teach you that), but it does seem as if more and more people pronounce these words as they'd come out in standard English. i.e. I hear a lot of people pronouncing "wort" as rhyming with "fort," "trub" as rhyming with "pub," and so on.

Don't necessarily want to start an argument about descriptive vs. prescriptive pronunciation, but at what point do "incorrect" pronunciations become so common that they're not really incorrect anymore (in the same way that nobody calls the city "Los An-heles")? Are we near or at that point for these words? I personally feel like a little bit of a douche when I step into a LHBS and start talking about "troob" and "vehrt." Maybe that's just me, though.

Just writing little screeds like this to avoid doing work...

 
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