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Old 01-21-2008, 06:17 PM   #21
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I don't sell propane or propane accessories, and I'm sure Hank Hill would disagree, but why risk it?

I would brew in my garage except I don't have a good water source and drain for the IC. Otherwise, it's stove top extracts in, propane AG out.
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:21 AM   #22
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The last time I brewed, it was 20 degrees out, so I used my turkey fryer in my attached garage with the main door open 2 feet off the ground, and the back door to a patio fully open.

With no openings to the house other than a few cracks, both my basement and main floor CO detectors started going off within 5 minutes. I opened the door fully and the CO detectors kept going until I completed the boil and didn't stop until 25 minutes after opening all the windows in the house.

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:37 AM   #23
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I don't sell propane or propane accessories, and I'm sure Hank Hill would disagree, but why risk it?
I have a different take on this:

The world is indeed full of danger. Being aware of that danger is the first step to mitigating risk. If we never took risks, we would never do anything at all. There would be no driving, no flying, no running, no alcohol, no sharp objects, etc, etc, etc. The world would be no fun, and life would lack purpose because we would be consumed with avoiding risk.

So, now that you're aware of the risks involved with using propane indoors, you need to make a personal decision about how much risk you're willing to accept. It seems that a reasonable person would only use a propane burner indoors if the flames were clean, and a ventilation source and CO detector were present. But, in the end, you're still starting a pretty big fire in your house in the name of saving a few bucks.

You be the judge.
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Old 01-23-2008, 01:04 AM   #24
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http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=36705

another thread. As Yuri said, it still comes down to your own risk tolerence.
and Diligilance!!!!

 
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Old 01-23-2008, 01:29 AM   #25
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I brew in my basement with a turkey fryer every time..... and two ready to go fire extinguishers, CO detector, charcoal filtered painter's mask, open windows, fan in one window, etc. all in the name of reasonable safety. BTW don't trick yourself into thinking that using one of these things outdoors is perfectly safe. Ventilation is the only advantage to being outside. Fire hazard is just as bad as inside. More than 20 homes are burned to the ground every year due to inadequate safety minded preparation preceding lighting that burner. The where isn't nearly as important as the preparation.
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Old 01-23-2008, 01:41 AM   #26
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I brew in my basement with a turkey fryer every time..... charcoal filtered painter's mask.
Umm what the painters mask for....so you don't have to smell your farts?


I think the majority of catastrophes with propane are caused by leaks. The gas gathers or pools in low lying areas, and then ignites when it reaches a an ignition source. If you have 3 to 4 inches of propane all over your basement that ignites, it wouldn't be very cool.
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the mask is for if the CO monitor goes off, or something catches on fire. If I'm going to stick around to fight a fire, I want to be able to breathe while i do it

edited because as Yuri has pointed out below, filters won't scrub CO (I learn something every day around HBT)

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The mask is for in case something catches on fire. If I'm going to stick around to fight a fire, I want to be able to breathe while I do it.
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Old 01-23-2008, 02:52 AM   #28
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the mask is for if the CO monitor goes off, or something catches on fire. If I'm going to stick around to fight a fire, I want to be able to breathe while i do it
Well I suppose it's better than nothing. My father used to keep a M17 gas mask by the fire extinguisher. Lack of oxygen trumps everything other than a full breathing apparatus mind you.
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the mask is for if the CO monitor goes off, or something catches on fire. If I'm going to stick around to fight a fire, I want to be able to breathe while i do it
The mask will likely protect you from noxious fumes, but I don't know of a charcoal filter capable of filtering CO or producing oxygen. I'm not saying the mask is a terrible idea, as it will help you breathe when fumes are present, but it won't make up for a lack of oxygen, and it won't protect you from CO poisoning. If you think you have to put the mask on, it's probably time to escape danger rather than stay and fight a fire.
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Life isn't ever super-simple.

Examples of not understanding, ignoring, or just not managing risks:

"if I brew outside, I don't have to worry about the dangers of noxious gasses or fire, so I won't bother to have any safety equipment standing by."

"I use natural gas for my brew setup, so there are no CO risks"

"If I brew inside and the residue from last weeks boilover flames up, I'll just grab my dog and run out the door screaming, FIRE FIRE FIRE"

"I'm brewing in the garage with the door open. The CO monitor in the house is going nuts, but I'll just assume that all propane burners create tons of CO and I'm fine so long as I'm out here in the garage. After the session is over, I'll ventilate until it quiets down"

Example of managing risk with preparation:

"Anytime I use any type of fuel burner inside OR outside I'm going to be ready for a problem by having fire extinguishers nearby but not right next to the burner. While I'm at it, I'll keep welding gloves, a filtration mask, etc nearby just because I can and if I decide that I need them, I'm sure I'll need them very quickly, so i don't want any delay. Also, I don't want to be in the "found dead from CO poisoning" crowd, so I'll utilize a CO monitor."

Can a propane burner be used safely indoors? Yes, if the risks are managed carefully.

Can a propane burner be deadly dangerous when used outside? YES, if the risks are not managed and the warning signs are ignored.
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