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Old 12-13-2007, 05:15 AM   #1
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Help! I need to find a dry substitution for Wyeast 1187...pitched over 72 hours ago and nothing. I don't have time to make a trip to the LHBS but I have a lot of stock dry yeast in the fridge. Any suggestions? This is for a Robust Porter (AHS kit).


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I've never used 1187, so I don't really know what you're trying to substitute. However, when I look at the description, I see "unique fermentation and flavor characteristics." I don't know that you can substitute for "unique."


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Old 12-13-2007, 05:00 PM   #3
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list what you have "in stock"

i bet the people here can help you pick one out.
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pitch a pack of US05 and two tablespoons of butter

I suppose your best bet would be something lower attenuating like s04 or windsor kept on the colder side. edit: or S33 which isn't too estery..crash it before it attenuates too far.

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Old 12-13-2007, 06:04 PM   #5
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Help! I need to find a dry substitution for Wyeast 1187...pitched over 72 hours ago and nothing. I don't have time to make a trip to the LHBS but I have a lot of stock dry yeast in the fridge. Any suggestions? This is for a Robust Porter (AHS kit).
Before you pitch again I can tell you from experience that this one is a very very slow starter.. Once it gets going though it chugs along nicely. I might give it a little more time. Took mine over 72hours when I pitched it into the NB Porter kit without a starter.
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Old 12-14-2007, 02:18 AM   #6
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OK...still no bubbles. On hand, I have Windsor, Nottingham, Superior Lager, Munton's Lager, and a bunch of wine yeast including everything Lavin and Red sStar make. Thought I had some Safeale but I guess I'm out. If Windsor or Nottingham aren't preferred, thenI guess I'll have to make time for a LHBS run. How long will wort last without active fermentation anyway?
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I would probably pitch Nottingham. Don't pitch the lager yeasts, and REALLY don't pitch the wine yeasts!


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I would probably pitch Nottingham. Don't pitch the lager yeasts, and REALLY don't pitch the wine yeasts!


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Nottingham will finish more neutral/cleaner and dryer than Ringwood would...Windsor might acutally be a closer match: Lower attenuation/malty w/ some light fruity esters fermented below 70. Agreed on those wine yeasts!

Course, it might be worth taking some hydro readings and making sure you are not plagued by a faulty lid seal or something similar.
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Nottingham will finish more neutral/cleaner and dryer than Ringwood would...Windsor might acutally be a closer match: Lower attenuation/malty w/ some light fruity esters fermented below 70. Agreed on those wine yeasts!

Course, it might be worth taking some hydro readings and making sure you are not plagued by a faulty lid seal or something similar.
Good points all around. I was just thinking "robust porter - go clean." I also need to go to bed.


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Hold the phone people! Success! About 80-90 hours into it and we have fermentation. I have never had a brew take this long to start fermentation, but she's bubblin away this morning. I'm not complaining, just curious. I know ohiodad has had this happen before, but anyone else? Did we both just get bad batches of yeast on their way out...with maybe 1 billion cells instead of 100 billion? Was my smackpack not swelling just coincidence or related to the problem?Or does all Ringwood ale yeast do this?


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