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Old 01-29-2014, 05:40 AM   #1
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I started a cider on 12/25 at 1.064, fermented in the primary until 1/25 at which point it was at 1.000. Transferred to the bottling bucket with 3 cans of apple cider concentrate and bottled. I filled one empty plastic water bottle first, and labeled 2 other bottles as "test" bottles which I bottled halfway through bottling, and then again with less than a gallon in the bottling bucket (in case my AJC didn't mix thoroughly).

Yesterday, (2 days into bottle carbing), my plastic water bottle was solid. I put it in the fridge for a few hours then opened it up and poured it into a glass. Flat.

Confused, I poured the brew back into the bottle and screwed the lid back on and set it on the counter to see exactly how hard it would have to get before carbing.

Today, the plastic water bottle was hard again so this time I popped open one of my "test" glass 12 oz bottles. It was also flat.

Whats the deal? I've always heard of the plastic bottle test being fairly simple and when it feels firm like a new bottle of soda, it is fully carbed. In the time that I've gotten my bottle "solid" twice over, my brew is still flat. I'm going out of town this weekend and was hoping to have this stuff carbed and in the fridge to prevent bottle bombs.

 
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Old 01-29-2014, 05:52 AM   #2
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You need upward of 2 weeks not days to bottle condition.

 
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Old 01-29-2014, 05:58 AM   #3
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You need upward of 2 weeks not days to bottle condition.
Really? I was thinking people generally say 4-5 days or until the plastic bottle is firm.

I'm paranoid about bottle bombs with the amount of back sweetening that I did.

 
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Old 01-29-2014, 03:34 PM   #4
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I didn't find the plastic bottle very helpful either.

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Old 01-29-2014, 03:37 PM   #5
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When your bottle is rock hard, put it in the fridge for overnight, then try it the next day. It takes a while for the co2 to fully dissolve throughout the cider, and the cold temperatures really help that.

Then check the carb level. Just like when you pour a warm soda or beer, it gets foamy but kind of flat, that happens with cider. (Not the foamy, but the c02 easily comes out of solution in a warm cider).

Since your plastic bottle has been hard twice, I'd today take one of the glass bottles and stick it in the fridge and check it tonight. I have a feeling that the bottles may be overcarbed if the plastic one has built up pressure twice.
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Old 01-30-2014, 12:25 AM   #6
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Thanks I have a bottle in the fridge now. Should I give it fully until tomorrow or will a few hours due?

 
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Thanks I have a bottle in the fridge now. Should I give it fully until tomorrow or will a few hours due?
A full 24 hours is best to fully dissolve the co2 into the cold cider. Sooner is ok, but not as good.
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Old 01-30-2014, 05:46 PM   #8
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Could i have an uneven level of carbing if my prim in and back sweetening wasn't mixed thoroughly?

I racked onto 3 cans of concentrate but i didn't stir it or anything.

 
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Old 01-31-2014, 02:13 AM   #9
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Well....I left my plastic test bottle, and a glass bottle in the fridge until just now. Popped open the plastic test bottle and it was completely flat. I will let the glass bottle sit in the fridge until tomorrow and try it.

The plastic bottle gave a little pshhh sound, nothing crazy. It sounded similar to the sound a commercial cider makes when being opened.


I'm getting a little discouraged. This is the first batch I've really bottled the right way with crown caps. My last few 1 gallon batches I just used recycled twist top bottles (old angry orchard bottles) and the twist top caps that came with them. Those carbed pretty easily after a couple days. I figured this way was the "right" way to do it and would be much easier.

 
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Old 02-05-2014, 02:42 AM   #10
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Still no carb. The cider is SUPER clear compared to when I first bottled...and there is a little sediment on the bottom of most of the bottles. But still flat.

I'm anxious to get these in the fridge to age...I really don't want bottle bombs.

Is it possible that starting at 1.064 and finishing at 1.000 that my yeast can't survive the alcohol level? I used Safale S-05.

 
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